No, I simply support the womans right over her body and all that is contained there-in. I support the SAME for men. It is called fairness.
On 2/18/09, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks professor, but I'm quite familiar with what parasites are. I > did not 'need' to look it up, but on this board it's usually helpful > to provide a reference to support your claim. You might very well find > a classification that can be applied to a human fetus, but let's be > clear; a parasite is typically of a different species than its host, > it usually can not survive without its host and it is typically > harmful in some way to its host. There are exceptions to all of these > characteristics, but when discussing parasites in animals these are > the accepted norms. > > A human fetus is considered legally viable at 28 weeks of development. > It is parasitic in nature because it is sharing the mother's > bloodstream for nutrition and oxygen. It does this because it has no > other means to eat and breathe while constrained in the womb. It is, > however, a living human being that can now survive on it's own outside > the womb. > > You know damn well that classifying a human fetus as a parasite is a > deliberate attempt by the abortion rights crowd to diminish the value > of the fetus. People don't take kindly to killing human beings, but > eliminating parasites is always acceptable. > > > On Feb 18, 12:55 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Use a biological dictionary. There are Three (3) very different types of > > parasites and several very different crosses of those three main groups. You > > have found the "common" definition. Do try to do some homework. It is simple > > junior high school biology. But then the US schools do lack, don't they > > ?? Not my fault but definitely a problem for you, I can say that, as you > > obviously had to look it up and did not know enough to do so correctly. In > > the future if you are going to choose to argue a point at least please be > > rudimentarily informed on the subject or ask for assistance. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:41 PM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From dictionary.com: "an organism that lives on or in an organism of > > > another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains > > > nutriment." > > > > > The mother does not define what a fetus is. Science defines what it is > > > and it is parasitic, but not a parasite. > > > > > I don't need to consult the mother. It's 'definition' does not vary > > > from mother to mother. She can apply whatever label she wants but it > > > does not change the facts. > > > > > And I am not going any extra steps. I am sticking to the facts. If a 5 > > > month old fetus is delivered you would call it a human. Therefore, > > > unless you can prove physiological changes took place during delivery > > > we must assume the 5 month old fetus still in the womb is human as > > > well. The little girl is correct. > > > > > On Feb 17, 11:50 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No, it is the Mothers choice as to what it is. It is a parasite by > > > > definition. At very best a "humanoid" parasite. > > > > > > As to implying a difference, I am not applying ANY definition other > > > > than "parasite", "parasitic". It is you that is going the next step > > > > without consulting the mother as to "its'" sattus. > > > > > > On Feb 17, 9:31 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > I think it's more accurate to call a fetus parasitic. A parasite > > > > > typically implies a different type of organism than the host it's > > > > > feeding off of. Calling a fetus a parasite is a ploy used by abortion > > > > > rights advocates as a means of diminishing the 'value' of the fetus. > > > > > Make no mistake, a fetus IS a human. I think her example of a five > > > > > month old fetus that is delivered is spot on. It did not undergo so > > > > > magical transformation during its birth; it was human prior to deliver > > > > > just as it is following delivery. > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 8:45 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is a parasite until the mother says otherwise. > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 7:16 pm, Ohio mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > how so? > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 7:59 pm, "J.C." <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am sure the speech was magnificent; however, it isn't entirely > > > > > > > > factual. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 3:07 pm, Ohio mark <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > poor libs just cannot stands opposing points of view. even > > > from a 12 > > > > > > > > > yr old girl. how pitiful. > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 6:21 am, Ohio mark <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite facing threats of disqualification, a 12-year-old > > > girl took > > > > > > > > > > first place in a speech contest when she eloquently argued > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > rights of unborn children – after an offended judge quit. > > > > > > > > > > > > "What if I told you that right now, someone was choosing if > > > you were > > > > > > > > > > going to live or die?" the seventh-grader begins in a video > > > recording > > > > > > > > > > of her speech on YouTube. "What if I told you that this > > > choice wasn't > > > > > > > > > > based on what you could or couldn't do, what you'd done in > > > the past or > > > > > > > > > > what you would do in the future? And what if I told you, you > > > could do > > > > > > > > > > nothing about it?" > > > > > > > > > > > > The girl, a student at a Toronto school identified only as > > > "Lia," > > > > > > > > > > continued: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Fellow students and teachers, thousands of children are > > > right now in > > > > > > > > > > that very situation. Someone is choosing without even > > > > > > > > > > knowing > > > them > > > > > > > > > > whether they are going to live or die. > > > > > > > > > > > > "That someone is their mother. And that choice is abortion." > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite Lia's enthusiasm for her topic, her teacher > > > > > > > > > > "strongly > > > > > > > > > > encouraged" her to select a different one for her class > > > presentation > > > > > > > > > > or she would be considered ineligible for an upcoming speech > > > contest. > > > > > > > > > > > > "[S]everal teachers discouraged her from picking the topic > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > abortion; she was told it was 'too big,' 'too mature' and > > > 'too > > > > > > > > > > controversial,'" her mother wrote. "She was also told that > > > > > > > > > > if > > > she went > > > > > > > > > > ahead with that topic, she would not be allowed to continue > > > on in the > > > > > > > > > > speech competition." > > > > > > > > > > > > Lia's mother continued, "Initially, I tried helping her find > > > other > > > > > > > > > > topics to speak on, but, in the end, she was adamant. She > > > just felt > > > > > > > > > > she wanted to continue with the topic of abortion. So she > > > forfeited > > > > > > > > > > her chance to compete in order to speak on something she was > > > > > > > > > > passionate about." > > > > > > > > > > > > Lia's teacher was so impressed by the speech that she > > > > > > > > > > allowed > > > her > > > > > > > > > > student to advance as the winner. Lia presented her speech > > > > > > > > > > to > > > judges > > > > > > > > > > in front of her entire school on Feb. 10. > > > > > > > > > > > > The school principal and teachers called Lia's presentation > > > the > > > > > > > > > > "obvious winner" – but the judges suddenly disqualified her > > > the > > > > > > > > > > following day "because of the topic and her position on > > > abortion," her > > > > > > > > > > mother said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lia's father later revealed that the judges had a "big > > > disagreement." > > > > > > > > > > One was offended by the speech and voluntarily stepped down > > > while the > > > > > > > > > > others reversed their earlier decision – declaring her the > > > winner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Lia plans to take her message of life to a regional > > > speech > > > > > > > > > > competition, and more than 100,000 visitors have viewed her > > > > > > > > > > presentation online. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Why do we think that just because a fetus can't talk or do > > > what we > > > > > > > > > > do, it isn't a human being yet?" She asks in the video. > > > > > > > > > > "Some > > > babies > > > > > > > > > > are born after only five months. Is this baby not human? > > > > > > > > > > > > "We would never say that. Yet abortions are performed on > > > 5-month-old > > > > > > > > > > fetuses all the time. Or do we only call them humans if > > > they're > > > > > > > > > > wanted?" > > > > > > > > > > > > She continues, "No, fetuses are definitely humans – knit > > > together in > > > > > > > > > > their mother's womb by their wonderful Creator who knows > > > > > > > > > > them > > > all by > > > > > > > > > > name." > > > > >http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89135-Hidequot... > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > Mark M. 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