KIT, I stand by what i said and do not wish to change a word. Yeah, yeah enhanced interrogation, NOT torture. And a shovel is no longer a shovel. It is a portable, manually operated soil re-distrubution device. Does the same fucking thing, end result the same. I'm not impressed.
On May 10, 5:56 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Hollywood, > > The premise of the article posted by Bruce is incorrect, and I quote: > > A memo released Wednesday by Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair > lists 40 separate briefings beginning in September 2002 in which leading > members of Congress were briefed by the CIA on the agency’s use of “enhanced > interrogation techniques”—in plain words, torture. > > The "enhanced interrogation techniques" were not torture, End of > story...... > > EXCEPT: Congresswoman Pelosi is now caught in a Catch-22. First she lied > about her knowlege of the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques; and second, she > would have to admit that the Enhanced Interrogation Techniques was not > torture, except this goes against everything that the Obama Administration > and the socialist-elitist movement in this Nation are attempting to portray > the Bush Administration as being involved in. > > Sucks to be Pelosi right now..... > > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > dick, > > > Where the hell did I say that is the way things should be? Where? > > > I stated a fact. I did not express, approval of that reality. Murder, > > rape and robbery are also realities of life. Just because I > > acknowledge that does not imply approval ,"that is the way is should > > be". > > > I'm fine with that, just so long as you hold ALL of them to the same > > standard. > > Tell you what. let's allow ONLY Republicans to serve on the jury for > > criminal or civil trials of Democrats and ONLY Democrats on the jury > > of accused Republicans. The bastards will either completely kill each > > other off or very suddenly become ALL about fair, impartial, rule of > > law, etc. Either way the citizen wins. > > > On May 10, 10:26 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am shocked that you would accept that that is the way things should > > > be. If the pols say something, hold them to it. If we don't, then we > > > deserve what we get and this crew is attempting to do just that and > > > without the KY. > > > > Hollywood wrote: > > > > dick, > > > > > I'm sorry what obligates me to agree with what you say is "the > > > > point"? > > > > There is an expiration date on the right to protest, free speech? I > > > > must speak out at a certain time or never at all? Who says? > > > > > I can't believe that anyone much over the age of 9 could possibye be > > > > shocked and/or outraged by the knowledge that politicians, of BOTH > > > > parties, lie their asses off on a routine basis. > > > > > The primary goal of the government, the military, politicians and > > > > hopefull citizens is to protect and preserve the Constituion of the > > > > United States. If fact, i once took an oath to sacrifice my life if > > > > need be to "protect and preserve the Constituion of the United Staes > > > > against all enemies, both foreign or domestic". > > > > > How the fuck did "playing to minorites" get involved here? > > > > I don't like the POTUS being in permanent campaigm mode either. How > > > > about one six year term and your out forever like Mexico does? No > > > > worrying about getting elected for a 2nd term. > > > > > On May 10, 9:30 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> I did. The whole point is that when the Democrats could have > > protested > > > >> the waterboarding practice they did not, in fact seemed to assume it > > was > > > >> A-OK. Now all of a sudden they are trying to say it is torture and > > they > > > >> knew nothing, nothing about it at all. The Sgt Schulz and the Capt > > > >> Renard ploys just won't work. The sheer hypocrisy is bad enough but > > to > > > >> lie on top of it as they have shows us just how unready they really > > are > > > >> to be seriously adult about protecting the country. Instead we get > > > >> these platitudes repeated all over and then when it comes to dealing > > > >> with the major job the feds should be dealing with they just add on > > > >> more and more playing to whatever "minorities" they can dredge up and > > > >> pass "resolutions" as to what they are going to do. When you combine > > > >> that with a chief executive who is in permanent campaign mode and is > > > >> telling us more of what he is going to do it makes a sad place for > > this > > > >> country to be in. > > > > >> What do you think of Pelosi and Rockefeller and whether they are > > telling > > > >> the truth or not. You seem to want someone else to respond to > > whatever > > > >> strawman you set up but not respond to the basic question of whether > > > >> Congress knew or not. You might also want to touch on whether you > > think > > > >> the CIA is doing what it should and whether finally the CIA and the > > FBI > > > >> should compare notes. The last Dem administration stopped that and we > > > >> see the result of what they wrought in that hole in the ground in > > lower > > > >> Manhattan. since the primary role of the federal govt is to protect > > the > > > >> country do you like the approach Bambi is taking on that? > > > > >> Hollywood wrote: > > > > >>> dick, > > > > >>> That's nice. Would you now like to address my post? > > > > >>> On May 10, 12:15 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>> But the republicans are not lying about their having been briefed. > > The > > > >>>> democrats areand are trying to use this to railroad the lawyers who > > > >>>> wrote memos interpreting the law as they saw it when pres Bush asked > > for > > > >>>> an interpretation. Totally different thing. It is the games that > > the > > > >>>> democrats are trying to play that are so junior high school. They > > are > > > >>>> trying to get certain memos released and ones that show how involved > > > >>>> they were held back. This is the same type of thing that Sen > > Stevens > > > >>>> prosecutors did and the judge slapped them down for it. Release > > some > > > >>>> info and hold other info back and then lie about it. Starting to > > seem > > > >>>> like a real MO for the democrats these days. > > > > >>>> Hollywood wrote: > > > > >>>>> dick, > > > > >>>>> If it's NOT a crime, or at the VERY least highly unethical, what > > would > > > >>>>> be the big deal about not reporting and/or publically opossing it? > > > >>>>> You do realize that everything you are saying about the Democrats > > > >>>>> holds equally true for the Republicans that were also informed at > > the > > > >>>>> same time don't you? > > > > >>>>> I'm sorry, are we in junior high school? What's with the "loser" > > > >>>>> label? > > > > >>>>> On May 9, 11:00 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> Given the position of the people involved and the actions they > > could > > > >>>>>> have taken on the issue, it is more than their not reporting what > > you > > > >>>>>> choose to call a crime. It is that their not reporting it implied > > > >>>>>> strongly that they did not consider it a crime at all. Now they > > choose > > > >>>>>> to say I never got the briefing or since that option has been > > shown to > > > >>>>>> be a lie that they assumed it to be a future option rather than it > > > >>>>>> having been already done. That they were told it had been done to > > the > > > >>>>>> people we know were given waterboarding puts that to a lie as > > well. I > > > >>>>>> just wonder what else they will attempt to do to make it seem that > > they > > > >>>>>> were lily white on the issue. Everything they have said so far > > has been > > > >>>>>> shown to be a lie. > > > > >>>>>> The other problem is that at the time all these "terrible" things > > > >>>>>> happened this was not a crime and since waterboarding is a natural > > part > > > >>>>>> of the training of the Navy Seals that one looks to be a loser as > > > >>>>>> well. The congressmen are trying to twist the stories even more > > than > > > >>>>>> Clinton with his "depends on the definition of what is is" bit of > > > >>>>>> nonsense. Doubt that that will sell either. It appears that the > > public > > > >>>>>> is behind the CIA on this one and the crown princess of Botox > > looks to > > > >>>>>> be past her sell by date on the issue. > > > > >>>>>> Hollywood wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> bruce, > > > > >>>>>>> Sorry, but I don't get your point here. > > > > >>>>>>> You want to condemn people for NOT reporting a crime but you do > > not > > > >>>>>>> want to condemn or punish the people who actually committed the > > > >>>>>>> crime???? > > > > >>>>>>> On May 9, 10:00 pm, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>> CIA memo cites 40 Congressional briefings on torture By Bill Van > > Auken > > > > >>>>>>>> A memo released Wednesday by Director of National Intelligence > > Dennis Blair > > > >>>>>>>> lists 40 separate briefings beginning in September 2002 in which > > leading > > > >>>>>>>> members of Congress were briefed by the CIA on the agency’s use > > of “enhanced > > > >>>>>>>> interrogation techniques”—in plain words, torture. > > > > >>>>>>>> Before the revelations about the employment of such methods as > > waterboarding > > > >>>>>>>> appeared in the media, none of these legislators, including > > leading > > > >>>>>>>> Democrats, objected to or publicly protested against what > > amounted to war > > > >>>>>>>> crimes. > > > > >>>>>>>> Blair’s release of the document compiled by the CIA came in > > response to a > > > >>>>>>>> request from Representative Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, the top > > Republican on > > > >>>>>>>> the House intelligence committee. In a letter to Hoekstra, Blair > > stated that > > > >>>>>>>> the memo “provides a straightforward account of the extent of > > interaction > > > >>>>>>>> with the Congress on this issue.” > > > > >>>>>>>> Much of the media attention has focused on the role of House > > Speaker Nancy > > > >>>>>>>> Pelosi (Democrat, California), who as the ranking Democrat on > > the House > > > >>>>>>>> intelligence committee was, together with Republican > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
