Holly, First, J.C. is literally much more qualified than I, to discuss various aspects of the Bible!! I am a rookie as compared to her, and although I don't always agree with J.C. in her viewpoints, I concede that she is far more qualified to talk about Biblical passages than I!!
A couple of points: First, the reason that I even delved into the New Testament, is because there is this trend by far left extremists to sling up passages from the Old Testament, which are conflicting, sound hateful, and provide a conundrum if one were to take the passages literally. My point in citing the New Covenants, was to demostrate that nothing in the Old Testament is to be taken literally, as per Christ's words. Christ explicitly preached: the spiritual equality of men and women but not of violently overthrowing human practices that differentiate male and female roles. Christ preached a high degree of tolerance and non-judgment. Nevertheless, as stated, (and I see that you just posted again, so I don't mean to be redundant) marriage is clearly between a man and a woman. On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > KIT, > > Blah, blah, blah, so give me a verse in the New Testament that > actually defines/describes marriage so I can find a Bible and read it. > There must be at least one. After all ,Jesus's first public miracle > was turning water into wine at a wedding. > > On May 15, 10:18 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey J.C.!! > > > > (LOL, Here We Go Again!!) > > > > First, I am not a Biblical scholar, as you are!! Having said that, I > note > > that you only reference the Old Jewish Testament, and not the New > > Covenants, Christians believe Christ released them from the bonds of > strict > > adherence to the Old Testament Law and superimposed God's judgment with > > Grace. For those who read the Old testament and find harshness, this > means > > the New covenant supersedes anything in the Old Testament. > > > > Moreover, Jesus Christ told us that the whole law, *e.g.;* the "Old > > Testament" could be summarized in two commands: "*Love God with all your > > heart, soul and mind*"; and "*Love your neighbor as yourself*" *See* > Luke > > 12:28-32. > > Further, Christ also taught us that, “*B**ecause this is my blood of the > > new covenant that is being poured out for many people for the > forgiveness of > > sins*.” (*See* Matthew 26:28); and. “*For if there had been nothing wrong > > with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another*.” > * > > See* Hebrews 8:7; and, “*By calling this covenant "new," he has made the > > first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear*.” > * > > See* Hebrews 8:13. > > > > From our messages back in February of this year: > > > > With purposeful , extensive, methodical propaganda, planning, massive > > amounts of funding by the likes of George Soros, Hollywood elitists and > > others, and with controlled, extensive media manipulation, it is my > opinion > > that you, and many Americans have been intentionally misled and mislead. > > There has been a concerted effort by a select hard core group of > socialists > > and secularists, who want to destroy the traditional values of this > Nation, > > the very core values that made this Nation great. > > > > By example, there is no other definition of and for marriage, other than > the > > term's religious connotation. The premise that there is some kind of > > "civil definition" of marriage is incorrect. Marriage is in total, an > > ecclesiastical function; marriage always has been and continues to be. > If > > one studies the history of marriage in this Nation, the several States > got > > involved in the contract of "Marriage", only because of the conflict of > > varying religious tenets, and in part, to regulate miscegenation back in > the > > early to mid nineteenth century. As stated, marriage is now, and has > always > > been between a man and a woman, and this is at the very core of > traditional > > values in western civilization. The definition of marriage extends > > throughout recorded history of western civilization. > > > > The term, "same sex marriage" is an oxymoron, there can be no such thing, > > without literally changing the definition of marriage. That is the goal > of > > these socialists and secularists; e.g.; to redefine the definition of > > marriage. This would be the equivalent of changing the definition of > > "Murder", or "giraffe"; or any other noun, adjective or adverb. > > > > Despite the concept that many individuals and entities are trying to sell > > the American public, (including Mags, and this Moonbat "ThosPayne) in his > > article that Mags posted captioned: "When Same-Sex Marriage Was a > Christian > > Rite") most of which are from socialist-elitist movements here in the > > United States, and in this particular case, e.g.; the push for "gay > > marriage"; it is the militant gay movements within the United States, > that > > has, and attempts to portray any individual that is opposed to gay > marriage > > as somehow being bigoted, and equivalent to being racist, comparing > > themselves to the black community and the black leadership that pushed > for > > racial equality who were treated unjustly during the mid to late 20th > > century. > > > > It is not discriminatory for Americans to be opposed to, and rejecting > same > > sex marriages as being a part of normal, mainstream behavior > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:58 PM, J.C. <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Oh, are we back to the biblical definition of marriage? Would that be > > > Abraham taking his handmaiden? Jacob and his two wives? Lot's > > > daughters getting him drunk and sleeping with him? David having the > > > husband of the woman he wanted killed? All the other plural marriages > > > and concubines that show up? Or are we talking about the property > > > aspect of it? > > > > > Come on, Baby...you can do better than that. > > > > > On May 15, 8:35 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The term, "Gay Marriage" or "Same Sex Marriage" is an oxymoron, but > we > > > have > > > > been down this road before J.C.!!! > > > > > > (LOL!!) > > > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:29 PM, J.C. <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > You can look, but don't touch. > > > > > > > On May 15, 8:20 pm, SgtUSMC <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Well, I'm sure she practices abstinence, at least. > > > > > > > > On May 15, 9:53 pm, "J.C." <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ms. Rambo? I don't think so. She is nothing more than a > hypocrite > > > of > > > > > > > the highest order. It is alright for her to pose semi-nude and > to > > > > > > > prance around in a bikini while her chosen party tells all the > > > other > > > > > > > girls how modest they should be, just as long as she espouses > their > > > > > > > views on gay marriage. She is nothing more than a pretty > little > > > > > > > convenience - and more likely than not with implants. > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 7:02 pm, "d.b.baker" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 8:25 pm, "J.C." <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You're kidding, right? No one forced her to be in the Miss > > > America > > > > > > > > > pageant, or forced her to pose semi-nude, or forced her to > do > > > > > > > > > anything... > > > > > > > > > > Yes they did do something; they tried to force her "out." > > > > > > > > > > Fools, they thought they were setting up a bimbo, but instead > > > they > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Ms. Rambo. > > > > > > > > > > And we can still hear those raging queens screaming. - Hide > > > quoted > > > > > text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
