Sopranos.....But I liked Deadwood too!!1
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:01 PM, J.C. <[email protected]> wrote: > > DEADWOOD!!!!!!!!! > > On May 16, 4:01 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > KIT, > > > > I gave you the verses. Don't take my word for it, look them up and > > come to a rational conclusion yourself. > > Hell man, i thought all conservative had a King James version of the > > Bible around their necks on a gold chain. :-) > > > > That's not too far, maybe I'll do that if I go down and see "T". I > > AIN"T going out on a boat with a bunch of conservatives though. I saw > > that episode of the Sopranos where Pussy got his "early retirement". > > BTW, aren't you a friend of Bill W.? > > > > Which was better "The Sopranos" or "Deadwood"? > > > > On May 16, 3:50 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As stated, J.C. is our resident Biblical scholar.....I am not, and > never > > > claimed to be..... > > > > > At any rate, come on down!! Atlantic Beach is up around Jacksonville, > which > > > is less than three hours from Tampa Town!! We'd love to have ya!! > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Hollywood < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > Keith, Keith, Keith, > > > > > > Let's look at this a bit more closely. > > > > > > Matthew 10:5: It says "What God has joined together......" I see no > > > > mention of specific genders. Interestingly enough that particular > > > > verse is commonly used to "prove" divorce is a sin by the Catholic > > > > Curch as well as others. > > > > > > Corinthians 1:7 dosen't say jack-shit about marriage. > > > > > > All the verses you quote have to do with how to treat each other as a > > > > married couple. No mention of genders. Actually , most of this area > of > > > > the Bible is usually used as a rationalization for women to be > > > > controlled by men. Ephesians 5:21:23 "You wives must sunbit to your > > > > husbands leadership in the same way you submit to the Lord. For a > > > > husband is in charge of his wife in the same way Christ is in charge > > > > of his body the church. So you wives must willingly obey your > husbands > > > > in everything, just as the church obeys Christ." End quote. > > > > > > It don't work friend, tried MANY times to tell my first wife that I > > > > was God so far as she was concerned. She wasn't buying that. > > > > > > C'mon, damn near anything can be "proven" or at least rationalized by > > > > the Bible if you try hard enough. What? You didn't think I had a > Bible > > > > and could read? > > > > > > On May 16, 9:51 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Holly, Holly, Holly, > > > > > > > I have already given the verses that point out why the Old > Testament is > > > > not > > > > > to be taken literally, and why all of these Moonbats who sling up > > > > Biblical > > > > > verses from the Old Testament as if Christians are somehow facing a > > > > dilemma > > > > > or a conundrum are misplaced. > > > > > > > If you are referring to the verses which demonstrate that marriage > is > > > > > between a man and a woman, here are a few: > > > > > > > "So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined > > > > together, > > > > > let man not separate" (Matthew 19:6). > > > > > > > There are several epistles written by the apostle Paul that refer > to > > > > > marriage and how believers are to operate within the marriage > > > > relationship. > > > > > One such passage is 1 Corinthians chapter 7, and another is > Ephesians > > > > > 5:22-33. When studied together, these two passages provide biblical > > > > > principles that form a framework for a God-pleasing marriage > > > > relationship. > > > > > > > "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and > gave > > > > himself > > > > > up for her" (Ephesians 5:25). "In this same way, husbands ought to > love > > > > > their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves > himself. > > > > After > > > > > all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, > just > > > > as > > > > > Christ does the church” (Ephesians 5:28-29). “For this reason a man > will > > > > > leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two > will > > > > > become one flesh” (Ephesians 5:31). > > > > > > > In Hebrews 13:4; "Give honor to marriage, and remain faithful to > one > > > > another > > > > > in marriage. God will surely judge people who are immoral and those > who > > > > > commit adultery." > > > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Hollywood < > [email protected] > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > So, give me the verse in the New testament that supports your > > > > > > position. I can wait while you ask J.C. as neither one of us are > Bible > > > > > > scholars. > > > > > > > > We both realise i'm sure that people on the both sides use the > Bible > > > > > > to justify their political/social attitudes and cheerfully ignore > what > > > > > > it says when convient. You in this case seem to want to use it to > > > > > > justify your position. All i'm asking is for the verse(s) in said > > > > > > Bible your using as your authority. > > > > > > > > On May 16, 8:55 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > > > > > First, J.C. is literally much more qualified than I, to discuss > > > > various > > > > > > > aspects of the Bible!! I am a rookie as compared to her, and > although > > > > I > > > > > > > don't always agree with J.C. in her viewpoints, I concede that > she is > > > > far > > > > > > > more qualified to talk about Biblical passages than I!! > > > > > > > > > A couple of points: > > > > > > > > > First, the reason that I even delved into the New Testament, is > > > > because > > > > > > > there is this trend by far left extremists to sling up passages > from > > > > the > > > > > > Old > > > > > > > Testament, which are conflicting, sound hateful, and provide a > > > > conundrum > > > > > > if > > > > > > > one were to take the passages literally. My point in citing > the New > > > > > > > Covenants, was to demostrate that nothing in the Old Testament > is to > > > > be > > > > > > > taken literally, as per Christ's words. Christ explicitly > preached: > > > > the > > > > > > > spiritual equality of men and women but not of violently > overthrowing > > > > > > human > > > > > > > practices that differentiate male and female roles. Christ > preached a > > > > > > high > > > > > > > degree of tolerance and non-judgment. > > > > > > > > > Nevertheless, as stated, (and I see that you just posted again, > so I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > mean to be redundant) marriage is clearly between a man and a > woman. > > > > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Hollywood < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > > Blah, blah, blah, so give me a verse in the New Testament > that > > > > > > > > actually defines/describes marriage so I can find a Bible and > read > > > > it. > > > > > > > > There must be at least one. After all ,Jesus's first public > miracle > > > > > > > > was turning water into wine at a wedding. > > > > > > > > > > On May 15, 10:18 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey J.C.!! > > > > > > > > > > > (LOL, Here We Go Again!!) > > > > > > > > > > > First, I am not a Biblical scholar, as you are!! Having > said > > > > that, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > note > > > > > > > > > that you only reference the Old Jewish Testament, and not > the New > > > > > > > > > Covenants, Christians believe Christ released them from > the > > > > bonds of > > > > > > > > strict > > > > > > > > > adherence to the Old Testament Law and superimposed God's > > > > judgment > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Grace. For those who read the Old testament and find > harshness, > > > > this > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > the New covenant supersedes anything in the Old Testament. > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, Jesus Christ told us that the whole law, *e.g.;* > the > > > > "Old > > > > > > > > > Testament" could be summarized in two commands: "*Love God > with > > > > all > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > heart, soul and mind*"; and "*Love your neighbor as > yourself*" > > > > *See* > > > > > > > > Luke > > > > > > > > > 12:28-32. > > > > > > > > > Further, Christ also taught us that, “*B**ecause this is > my > > > > blood of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > new covenant that is being poured out for many people for > the > > > > > > > > forgiveness of > > > > > > > > > sins*.” (*See* Matthew 26:28); and. “*For if there had been > > > > nothing > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > with that first covenant, no place would have been sought > for > > > > > > another*.” > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > See* Hebrews 8:7; and, “*By calling this covenant "new," > he has > > > > made > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will > soon > > > > > > disappear*.” > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > See* Hebrews 8:13. > > > > > > > > > > > From our messages back in February of this year: > > > > > > > > > > > With purposeful , extensive, methodical propaganda, > planning, > > > > massive > > > > > > > > > amounts of funding by the likes of George Soros, Hollywood > > > > elitists > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > others, and with controlled, extensive media manipulation, > it is > > > > my > > > > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > > that you, and many Americans have been intentionally misled > and > > > > > > mislead. > > > > > > > > > There has been a concerted effort by a select hard core > group of > > > > > > > > socialists > > > > > > > > > and secularists, who want to destroy the traditional values > of > > > > this > > > > > > > > Nation, > > > > > > > > > the very core values that made this Nation great. > > > > > > > > > > > By example, there is no other definition of and for > marriage, > > > > other > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > term's religious connotation. The premise that there is > some > > > > kind > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > "civil definition" of marriage is incorrect. Marriage is > in > > > > total, > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > ecclesiastical function; marriage always has been and > continues > > > > to > > > > > > be. > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > one studies the history of marriage in this Nation, the > several > > > > > > States > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > involved in the contract of "Marriage", only because of the > > > > conflict > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > varying religious tenets, and in part, to regulate > miscegenation > > > > back > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > early to mid nineteenth century. As stated, marriage is > now, and > > > > has > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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