On Jun 28, 8:57 pm, The Supreme Turtle <[email protected]>
wrote:
> anyone who claims that the constitution is "alive" wants to truly kill
> it
>
> On Jun 28, 10:46 pm, Frederick The Moderate
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > You've just written the point of my post. The Constitution is a living
> > document which has evolved over the last couple centuries. It's
> > changed. I'm not asking what you would change that would empower the
> > "Imperial Federal Government". It sounds like you might change
> > something to make even more clear, the intention to prevent one. Would
> > that be such a bad thing to make Constitutional?
>
> > On Jun 28, 7:34 pm, RichardForbes <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
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> > > I believe the Constition is a "living document" in that we have the
> > > right and the authority to change and improve it. But, we know
> > > exactly what it is today and we know what transpired regarding every
> > > change ever made. My problem remains that the imperial federal
> > > government is doing many things not in their power and often clearly
> > > precluded. Our Founding Fathers gave us a wonderful document,
> > > designed to be a work in process. But, one thing that has not changed
> > > is that their fear of the excessive power in the hands of a
> > > centralized government was well founded.
>
> > > I hope I am making you think. We need more citizens who take
> > > individual freedoms seriously and value personal responsibility above
> > > the "social slavery system" encouraged by excessive government
> > > dependence.
>
> > > On Jun 28, 8:26 pm, Frederick The Moderate
>
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > Ok Richard so then "It is what it is" until it is something different.
> > > > Then it is what it is then! Until it isn't. But hey, it's very clear!
>
> > > > On Jun 28, 7:14 pm, RichardForbes <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
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> > > > > Note 2: The part of this Clause relating to the mode of apportionment
> > > > > of representatives among the several States has been affected by
> > > > > Section 2 of amendment XIV, and as to taxes on incomes without
> > > > > apportionment by amendment XVI.
>
> > > > > The constitution was designed to be changed as appropriate. As I
> > > > > said, it is what it is. The problem is that the politicians are still
> > > > > doing many things beyond their authority.
>
> > > > > On Jun 28, 8:00 pm, Frederick The Moderate
>
> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > So then Richard, you think women should not vote, Indians who have
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > been taxed and 3/5 of black male votes should be the law? The
> > > > > > Constitution is very clear in Article 1 Section 2 on this matter.
>
> > > > > > On Jun 28, 6:51 pm, RichardForbes <[email protected]>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > The constitution is what it is. The words are clear and the
> > > > > > > intent is
> > > > > > > well documented. The problem is not the constitution, but rather
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > politicians who attempt to exceed the powers they were granted.
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 28, 7:45 pm, Frederick The Moderate
>
> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Obviously, much has changed over a couple hundred years. I see
> > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > on both sides of the aisle argue about this.
> > > > > > > > We need gun control. Wire-tapping Americans without a warrant
> > > > > > > > is fine
> > > > > > > > because it protects us. Gays should be able to marry. Due
> > > > > > > > process and
> > > > > > > > cruel & unusual punishment doesn't apply to everyone. Poor
> > > > > > > > Liberals
> > > > > > > > are denied their freedom of speech. Poor Conservatives are
> > > > > > > > denied
> > > > > > > > their freedom of speech. And on it goes.
>
> > > > > > > > The first thing I would change is the right to burn the
> > > > > > > > American Flag
> > > > > > > > in public. I just don't see it as a freedom of speech /
> > > > > > > > expression or
> > > > > > > > anything else. I don't see a need to protect this particular
> > > > > > > > right.
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