Silver, "Some politician" would include individual and collectively members of the House and Senate.
On Jul 10, 8:54 pm, sILVER bELLE <[email protected]> wrote: > The president of the USA does NOT make the decisions...its the HOUSE, THEN to > the Senate, THEN to the Pres. to sign or not. Did yall ALL FAIL American > History??" APPARENTY (misspelled) > > Obama can't do a damn thing without the HOUSE. > > Even BUSH did not 'run the country.... > > Its the "We the People" ....Yall don't know your ass from your head. > > sILVER bELLE > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:04:04 -0700 > > Subject: Re: Anyone see a problem with this logic_ > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > Richard, > > > OK, in that respect I will have to agree with you. If there is a way > > to circumvent the intent of the Constituion and/or Bill Of Rights some > > politician will find it in such a matter asa to be able to insist he > > obeyed the "letter of the law". > > > Of course he didn't, thanks to President Bush. > > > On Jul 10, 3:51 pm, RICHARD BROWN <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > Hollywood, it has zip to do with your question posed to Travis. I was > > > pointing out that all of our politicians do the same thing when using > > > executive power. They find ways around the other branches of > > > government. It is part of the power game that they all play. > > > If Obama can commit the U.S. to in effect go along with the Kyoto > > > Treaty without actually getting the Senate to approve it, he will. > > > Politicians are very adroit at doing an end run around the opposition > > > or side stepping the rules and regulations to get what they want. > > > Did Obama go to Congress to get a declaration of war in Afghanistan > > > before he sent an additional 30,000 troops there, or before he used > > > drones to bomb Pakistan? > > > > On Jul 10, 1:41 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Richard, > > > > > What has that to do with the question I posed to Travis concerning > > > > treaties? > > > > > On Jul 10, 3:04 pm, RICHARD BROWN <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Did the President of the United States get a UN Resolution to use > > > > > force, or did he get permission from the U.S. Congress to use force > > > > > when we invaded Kosovo? Did we have an exit strategy? Do we plan on > > > > > letting them become self-governing? > > > > > > On Jul 7, 9:26 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Travis, > > > > > > > Tell us how many times this has happened in our entire history. > > > > > > > On Jul 7, 11:22 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dick: Do you know how many senators it actually takes to approve > > > > > > > a treaty? > > > > > > > > Didn't think so. Try TWO (2). > > > > > > > > That is all. One (1) to preside over the senate and one (1) to > > > > > > > vote yes. > > > > > > > > That one (1) vote YES is two-thirds (2/3) of the senators > > > > > > > present (1) and > > > > > > > voting (again 1). > > > > > > > > This was a grave mistake the founding fathers made when they did > > > > > > > not make > > > > > > > the vote a required two-thirds (2/3) of the senate. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, dick thompson > > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sounds right to me. I don't see where the president can just > > > > > > > > make the > > > > > > > > treaty without the consent of the US Senate. If I remember > > > > > > > > right it takes > > > > > > > > both of them to approve the treaties. It is not really a done > > > > > > > > deal if the > > > > > > > > president signs it unless the senate also approves it. Guess > > > > > > > > they forgot > > > > > > > > that one. Of course they also tried to forget that when it > > > > > > > > came to Kyoto > > > > > > > > for a while as the Dems tried to force the US to implement a > > > > > > > > treaty that the > > > > > > > > Senate never ratified. Looks like another one coming along. > > > > > > > > > *The Constitution Imposes Severe Limits On A President's > > > > > > > > Treaty-Making > > > > > > > > Powers: * Here's the relevant > > > > > > > > section<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_Am...>: > > > > > > > > > He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the > > > > > > > > Senate, to > > > > > > > > make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present > > > > > > > > concur; > > > > > > > > > The Obama administration is finding that limitation > > > > > > > > inconvenient<http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/05/obama-hey-lets-bypass-the-senat...>, > > > > > > > > and so they are thinking of "temporarily > > > > > > > > bypassing"<http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/us-russian-arms-negot...>the > > > > > > > > Senate. Not on any important matter, just a little agreement > > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > Russians on limiting nuclear arms. > > > > > > > > > I looked carefully through the Constitution, and could not find > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > provision that allows a president to bypass, temporarily or > > > > > > > > otherwise, that > > > > > > > > limit on his treaty-making powers. > > > > > > > > > Senator Byrd — among others — isn't going to like this one > > > > > > > > little bit. > > > > > > > > - 8:08 AM, 6 July 2009 > > > > > > > > [link]<http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/July2009_1.html#jrm7578> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > *~@):~{>- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! 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