House of Reps. OBAMA DOES NOT RUN THE COUNTRY. HE REPRESENTS IT TO
THE WORLD.
sILVER bELLE
> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:51:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: Anyone see a problem with this logic_
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
>
> Hollywood, it has zip to do with your question posed to Travis. I was
> pointing out that all of our politicians do the same thing when using
> executive power. They find ways around the other branches of
> government. It is part of the power game that they all play.
> If Obama can commit the U.S. to in effect go along with the Kyoto
> Treaty without actually getting the Senate to approve it, he will.
> Politicians are very adroit at doing an end run around the opposition
> or side stepping the rules and regulations to get what they want.
> Did Obama go to Congress to get a declaration of war in Afghanistan
> before he sent an additional 30,000 troops there, or before he used
> drones to bomb Pakistan?
>
>
> On Jul 10, 1:41 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Richard,
> >
> > What has that to do with the question I posed to Travis concerning
> > treaties?
> >
> > On Jul 10, 3:04 pm, RICHARD BROWN <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Did the President of the United States get a UN Resolution to use
> > > force, or did he get permission from the U.S. Congress to use force
> > > when we invaded Kosovo? Did we have an exit strategy? Do we plan on
> > > letting them become self-governing?
> >
> > > On Jul 7, 9:26 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > Travis,
> >
> > > > Tell us how many times this has happened in our entire history.
> >
> > > > On Jul 7, 11:22 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Dick: Do you know how many senators it actually takes to approve a
> > > > > treaty?
> >
> > > > > Didn't think so. Try TWO (2).
> >
> > > > > That is all. One (1) to preside over the senate and one (1) to vote
> > > > > yes.
> >
> > > > > That one (1) vote YES is two-thirds (2/3) of the senators present
> > > > > (1) and
> > > > > voting (again 1).
> >
> > > > > This was a grave mistake the founding fathers made when they did not
> > > > > make
> > > > > the vote a required two-thirds (2/3) of the senate.
> >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, dick thompson
> > > > > <[email protected]>wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Sounds right to me. I don't see where the president can just make
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > treaty without the consent of the US Senate. If I remember right
> > > > > > it takes
> > > > > > both of them to approve the treaties. It is not really a done deal
> > > > > > if the
> > > > > > president signs it unless the senate also approves it. Guess they
> > > > > > forgot
> > > > > > that one. Of course they also tried to forget that when it came to
> > > > > > Kyoto
> > > > > > for a while as the Dems tried to force the US to implement a treaty
> > > > > > that the
> > > > > > Senate never ratified. Looks like another one coming along.
> >
> > > > > > *The Constitution Imposes Severe Limits On A President's
> > > > > > Treaty-Making
> > > > > > Powers: * Here's the relevant
> > > > > > section<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_Am...>:
> >
> > > > > > He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the
> > > > > > Senate, to
> > > > > > make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
> >
> > > > > > The Obama administration is finding that limitation
> > > > > > inconvenient<http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/05/obama-hey-lets-bypass-the-senat...>,
> > > > > > and so they are thinking of "temporarily
> > > > > > bypassing"<http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/us-russian-arms-negot...>the
> > > > > > Senate. Not on any important matter, just a little agreement
> > > > > > with the
> > > > > > Russians on limiting nuclear arms.
> >
> > > > > > I looked carefully through the Constitution, and could not find any
> > > > > > provision that allows a president to bypass, temporarily or
> > > > > > otherwise, that
> > > > > > limit on his treaty-making powers.
> >
> > > > > > Senator Byrd — among others — isn't going to like this one little
> > > > > > bit.
> > > > > > - 8:08 AM, 6 July 2009
> > > > > > [link]<http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/July2009_1.html#jrm7578>
> >
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