The last president I had any respect for was.....hmmmm????.....Grover Cleveland. "The lesson should be constantly enforced that though the people support the Government, Government should not support the people." The greatest quote that is an example of government abuse of power and explains why we have so much corruption, so many lobbyists, etc. is from Calvin Coolidge. "The business of government is business."
On Jul 10, 2:04 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > Richard, > > OK, in that respect I will have to agree with you. If there is a way > to circumvent the intent of the Constituion and/or Bill Of Rights some > politician will find it in such a matter asa to be able to insist he > obeyed the "letter of the law". > > Of course he didn't, thanks to President Bush. > > On Jul 10, 3:51 pm, RICHARD BROWN <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hollywood, it has zip to do with your question posed to Travis. I was > > pointing out that all of our politicians do the same thing when using > > executive power. They find ways around the other branches of > > government. It is part of the power game that they all play. > > If Obama can commit the U.S. to in effect go along with the Kyoto > > Treaty without actually getting the Senate to approve it, he will. > > Politicians are very adroit at doing an end run around the opposition > > or side stepping the rules and regulations to get what they want. > > Did Obama go to Congress to get a declaration of war in Afghanistan > > before he sent an additional 30,000 troops there, or before he used > > drones to bomb Pakistan? > > > On Jul 10, 1:41 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Richard, > > > > What has that to do with the question I posed to Travis concerning > > > treaties? > > > > On Jul 10, 3:04 pm, RICHARD BROWN <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Did the President of the United States get a UN Resolution to use > > > > force, or did he get permission from the U.S. Congress to use force > > > > when we invaded Kosovo? Did we have an exit strategy? Do we plan on > > > > letting them become self-governing? > > > > > On Jul 7, 9:26 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Travis, > > > > > > Tell us how many times this has happened in our entire history. > > > > > > On Jul 7, 11:22 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Dick: Do you know how many senators it actually takes to approve a > > > > > > treaty? > > > > > > > Didn't think so. Try TWO (2). > > > > > > > That is all. One (1) to preside over the senate and one (1) to > > > > > > vote yes. > > > > > > > That one (1) vote YES is two-thirds (2/3) of the senators present > > > > > > (1) and > > > > > > voting (again 1). > > > > > > > This was a grave mistake the founding fathers made when they did > > > > > > not make > > > > > > the vote a required two-thirds (2/3) of the senate. > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:14 AM, dick thompson > > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > Sounds right to me. I don't see where the president can just > > > > > > > make the > > > > > > > treaty without the consent of the US Senate. If I remember right > > > > > > > it takes > > > > > > > both of them to approve the treaties. It is not really a done > > > > > > > deal if the > > > > > > > president signs it unless the senate also approves it. Guess > > > > > > > they forgot > > > > > > > that one. Of course they also tried to forget that when it came > > > > > > > to Kyoto > > > > > > > for a while as the Dems tried to force the US to implement a > > > > > > > treaty that the > > > > > > > Senate never ratified. Looks like another one coming along. > > > > > > > > *The Constitution Imposes Severe Limits On A President's > > > > > > > Treaty-Making > > > > > > > Powers: * Here's the relevant > > > > > > > section<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States_of_Am...>: > > > > > > > > He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the > > > > > > > Senate, to > > > > > > > make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; > > > > > > > > The Obama administration is finding that limitation > > > > > > > inconvenient<http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/05/obama-hey-lets-bypass-the-senat...>, > > > > > > > and so they are thinking of "temporarily > > > > > > > bypassing"<http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/us-russian-arms-negot...>the > > > > > > > Senate. Not on any important matter, just a little agreement > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > Russians on limiting nuclear arms. > > > > > > > > I looked carefully through the Constitution, and could not find > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > provision that allows a president to bypass, temporarily or > > > > > > > otherwise, that > > > > > > > limit on his treaty-making powers. > > > > > > > > Senator Byrd — among others — isn't going to like this one little > > > > > > > bit. > > > > > > > - 8:08 AM, 6 July 2009 > > > > > > > [link]<http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/July2009_1.html#jrm7578> > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > *~@):~{>- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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