frankg, you do not know me, because if you did, you would know I do battle on DTos as LiberalRealityCheck.
On Aug 4, 11:25 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hollywood, > > The problem is the Democrats are equally off course. Both parties are > locked into party rhetoric; there is no such thing as compromise and > we can forget about either side working to find true solutions that > work for all the country. Bush and Obama were/are equally horrible, > but from very different perspectives. The politicians that will right > this country are not beholden to uncompromising political > philosophies, but they are also currently not elected and likely won't > be in this fucked up two party system. > > My objection to VT is he’s a typical lemming to the two party system. > The Republicans are evil; the Democrats are saviors. The system will > not be corrected as long as a large portion of the population views > the landscape thru either red or blue glasses. We are all human, we > are all Americans. With few exceptions we all want health care that > works for everyone. It’s just how we achieve it that generates debate. > Claiming an entire class of people (Republicans) don’t want these > things simply because they have different ideas on how to achieve them > is not helpful. It’s just more hate and fear mongering. > > On Aug 4, 9:54 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Richard, > > > Oh hell, I don't have to go that far back to give an example of how > > far off course the Republicans have gone. How about 50 years to Dwight > > D. Eisenhower? > > I quote: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and > > are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed." Dwight D. > > Eisenhower. > > > On Aug 4, 8:27 am, RICHARD BROWN <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > VT, > > > A Democratic Party president, the only one between Lincoln and Wilson > > > by the way, said, "The lesson should be constantly enforced that > > > though the people support the Government, Government should not > > > support the people." So what happened to the Democratic Party? How > > > was it hijacked? He also said, "A truly American sentiment recognizes > > > the dignity of labor and the fact that honor lies in honest toil." My > > > goodness, he almost sounds like one of those lousy Republicans, > > > doesn't he? :-) > > > And the founder of the Democratic Party, Jefferson is on record with, > > > "A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate > > > their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take > > > from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of > > > good government. > > > Richard > > > > On Aug 4, 5:54 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > bruce, > > > > > I meant exactly what I said and nothing else. The Democratic Party > > > > gained a majority in the House of Representatives in the Nov. 2006 mid- > > > > term election and took office Jan. 2007. Nothing less, nothing more. > > > > > On Aug 4, 5:22 am, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > so you admit they have been in control for over 2 years > > > > > > you get a C- for today, much better than you usually do > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Hollywood > > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > I knew it had to happen sooner or later. NOW George Bush was REALLY > > > > > > a > > > > > > Democrat, and next I guess it will be the revelation that Dick > > > > > > Cheney > > > > > > was an under-cover operative for the Green Party. > > > > > > > NO. The Democrats won hugely in the 2006 mid-term election and > > > > > > gained > > > > > > a majority in the House ONLY and took office in Jan. 2007. Do the > > > > > > math. You CAN count to 4, right? > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 5:44 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > The Demwits controlled Congress for the past 4 years no? > > > > > > > > And Bush was a Demwit in Republican clothing -- the proof is that > > > > > > > Obama > > > > > > has > > > > > > > continued all his policies > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:58 PM, VT Sean Lewis > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Health Care Reform is NEEDED NOW! > > > > > > > > The Republican party is becoming the party of hatred and the > > > > > > > > destruction of the American dream. > > > > > > > > > Sean Lewis > > > > > > > > August 3, 2009 > > > > > > > > > 1) Minimal basic coverage for the unemployed and uninsured. > > > > > > > > > 2) Preventative care to lower future costs > > > > > > > > > 3) Restructure Medicare and Medicaid so they don't go bankrupt. > > > > > > > > > Who could possibly be against this reform? > > > > > > > > > Republicans! > > > > > > > > > Republicans had control of the last 8 years of the > > > > > > > > US political system, with Bush having veto > > > > > > > > power for all eight and the GOP control of the > > > > > > > > Congress for 6 years. The result was the almost > > > > > > > > complete destruction of the US economy. > > > > > > > > > The country was on the brink of complete collapse > > > > > > > > the last quarter of the Bush Administration. An > > > > > > > > Administration and party that was in complete > > > > > > > > denial there was a problem with the economy. > > > > > > > > > It was with the last minute infusion of over $1 Trillion > > > > > > > > in a single quarter that saved the country from another > > > > > > > > Depression type collapse. > > > > > > > > > When economic pollicies almost end in complete > > > > > > > > collapse, in my book that means FAILURE! Why > > > > > > > > take advice from people who almost detroyed the > > > > > > > > very thing America needed to stay strong? > > > > > > > > > The effects are still being felt 3 quarters later, however > > > > > > > > we have steered away from the edge by NEW Democratic > > > > > > > > Leadership. > > > > > > > > > There is no longer talk of the US facing economic collapse, > > > > > > > > in fact there is talk of a stock market BULL rally. > > > > > > > > > Yet Republicans are using everything in their political > > > > > > > > arsenal to stop the Democrats and the Country itself > > > > > > > > from succeeding. > > > > > > > > > The lunatic fringe of the GOP are using lies, scare tactics, > > > > > > > > hatred and race baiting to focus the attention of the country > > > > > > > > away from healing and recovery to more of the same of the last > > > > > > > > 8 years. Division, strife, class warfare and most recently > > > > > > > > racism. > > > > > > > > > The latest obstruction to US recovery is healthcare reform. > > > > > > > > > Under the Bush Administration more people have entered the > > > > > > > > uninsured rolls, the costs associated with the Social Programs > > > > > > > > of Medicare, Medicaid have risen unchecked and even increased > > > > > > > > due to the one 'FIX' Republicans attempted, the Medicare > > > > > > > > Prescription > > > > > > > > Drug program that did not help anyone who was not insured and > > > > > > > > cost $850 Billion a year at it's inception, this figure > > > > > > > > will climb as the Baby boomers retire all to give Viagra to the > > > > > > > > pension > > > > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > > > > The Republicans rather than fixing the healthcare system > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > have hurried up it's demise. Because of what the Republicans > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > done, > > > > > > > > Medicare and Medicaid will go bankrupt FASTER and the Baby > > > > > > > > Boomers > > > > > > > > will be left with FEWER options if any! > > > > > > > > > The Democrats are trying to fix this with reform in the form > > > > > > > > of preventative care, which will lower FUTURE costs of medical > > > > > > > > care. > > > > > > > > > Costs control by forcing the insurance and drug companies to > > > > > > > > offer > > > > > > > > lower priced care through competition. > > > > > > > > > Finally actually offering Minimal low cost coverage for the > > > > > > > > uninsured > > > > > > > > and unemployed! > > > > > > > > > Without these changes the fate of Healthcare will be similar to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > collapse of the economy in the fall of 2008! > > > > > > > > > So the GOP is using scare tactics similar to the tactics to get > > > > > > > > this country into war with Iraq. Scare Tactics based on lies, > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > truths > > > > > > > > and misinformation. > > > > > > > > > The GOP is using their shock troops who still believe that > > > > > > > > President > > > > > > > > Obama > > > > > > > > was not born in the US despite overwhelming evidence to the > > > > > > > > contrary! > > > > > > > > > These individuals are now using the same Birther reasoning to > > > > > > > > shout > > > > > > > > abuse at town halls in an attempt to show Congress that America > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > against Health care reform. > > > > > > > > > These are the same people who thought.... > > > > > > > > > There were WMD's. > > > > > > > > > Terri Schiavo was not brain dead. > > > > > > > > > The was a connection between Iraq and 9/11. > > > > > > > > > Al qaeda was in Iraq before the Iraq Invasion. > > > > > > > > > Spying on Americans without a warrant is not against the law. > > > > > > > > > The White House was not responsible for the Treasonous release > > > > > > > > of a covert CIA Operatives identity. > > > > > > > > > The US not tortured Iraqis, some to death, and if they did it > > > > > > > > was to > > > > > > > > protect > > > > > > > > Americans, not to find a connection between Iraq and 9/11. > > > > > > > > > Bush did protect Americans from the 9/11 attack > > > > > > > > even after ignoring several dozen warnings of a pending attack. > > > > > > > > > I can go on and on , but lets skip to the latest lunatic fringe > > > > > > > > far right conspiracy which once again ignores the truth and the > > > > > > > > facts to tell the LIE, Obama is not an Native born American. > > > > > > > > The facts, a certified birth certificate and birth announcements > > > > > > > > in local papers announcing Obama's birth seem not to matter > > > > > > > > to the hate driven core racist of the GOP, the fools who believe > > > > > > > > ignorance trumps intelligence, and incompetence arrogance and > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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