jgg, Third time, give me your definition of tort reform. How can we discuss rationally what you seem to be unwilling or unable to even define? I've already suggested a cap on punitive damages, and punitive damages only. What do you have to say?
On Aug 12, 2:18 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > I said together... You suggest payment and delivery system without > tort reform first... I then asked why not tort reform first... My > point was and is an unreformed tort system IS a major factor in health > care raising costs --- it effects and alters how physicians MUST > practice just to avoid greedy lawyers whose principle is to sue any > and all involved regardless of fault... Even if the lawyer loses, > often their costs ARE required to be paid by the claimants... So if > you want systemic health care reform, you must have tort reform as > well... The Democrats pretend otherwise... > > On Aug 12, 11:45 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > jgg, > > > WHY should there be tort reform first? Who's struggling more, the > > family that is facing immediate bankruptcy due to medical bills or the > > Physician so financially stressed by the cost of medical malpractice > > insurance he may not be able to afford a new Mercedes this year? > > > Once again I ask, give me a clear definition of what you mean by "tort > > reform". > > > On Aug 12, 10:06 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Then what about tort reform FIRST... The problem Hollywood is you > > > have to address all the systemic problems, or at least start to, to > > > have long lasting cost saving health care reform... That the > > > Democrats refuse to is telling... Your line of argument is > > > fundamentally the same as Obama's lines " You have to pass health > > > reform now or else", "Any change is better the no change", and "We > > > have thoroughly discussed health care for 40 years".... > > > > If these were true, tort reform would be part and parcel of any health > > > reform reform now... People remember how the emergency "Stimulus > > > Bill" changed the basic formulation of welfare payment due to > > > provision slipped in at the last moment... > > > > On Aug 11, 3:55 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > jgg, > > > > > It does not all have to be done in one piece at one time. No one has > > > > yet to give a concise definition of tort reform other that to shout > > > > about "frivolous lawsuits". A cap on punitive damages ONLY would > > > > probably be a good place to start. > > > > > On Aug 11, 2:43 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > A partisan solution without tort reform will only make matters > > > > > worse... That is the rest of the story Obama is refusing to > > > > > discuss... The notion of Health Reform at any cost is as dangerous > > > > > as Peace at any cost was in 1938... > > > > > > On Aug 11, 3:37 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Jgg, > > > > > > > I agree in principle with the solution you suggest. But I hope you > > > > > > realize that the need for a better healtcare system is hardly > > > > > > something new, it was first proposed by President Truman. It's > > > > > > ALWAYS > > > > > > going to be "this needs more study, what's the rush" according to > > > > > > some > > > > > > people. Look at the energy problem, our dependence on oil, most of > > > > > > it > > > > > > foreign. Only an idiot would not have realized the solution must be > > > > > > found after the OPEC oil embargo of 1973. Thirty five years or > > > > > > possible progress towards a viable solution simple thrown away. > > > > > > > On Aug 11, 1:01 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Or if you want to point to Medicare, just look to how they base > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > payments for doctor visits.... It is a portion of the ordinary > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > customary charges... So if your costs are $50 per visit, you > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > jack it up to include your profit, Medicare's discount, and > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > that figure 3 years in the future... SO The visit that cost > > > > > > > $50, for > > > > > > > when you might profit $10 if you get $60 you might charge $100 to > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > Medicare discount the bill back to $60... > > > > > > > > Or might a doctor have an xray machine in-house so his elderly > > > > > > > patient > > > > > > > do not have make a second appoint at the hospital... It would be > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > sin if he made a slight profit from THAT service (especially when > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > charged less the the Hospital)... The problem with the Health Car > > > > > > > debate is it is so nuanced that to reduce it to "greedy insurance > > > > > > > companies and doctors) makes it a meaningless shouting match... > > > > > > > > My solution??? Get a serious bi-partisan panel whose > > > > > > > recommendations > > > > > > > Congress would have vote yea or nay... If Health Care is so > > > > > > > demanded > > > > > > > by the American People, it will wait six-eight months for folks > > > > > > > to get > > > > > > > it right.. Instead Obama demands action, regardless of > > > > > > > viability, now > > > > > > > for his political resume... > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 3:54 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > jgg. > > > > > > > > > Really? And the fact that each and every test is billable has > > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > > whatsoever to do with it I suppose? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 2:39 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nor will help the stupidity and incompetence within the legal > > > > > > > > > community... Why the extra tests??? Malpractice Insurance > > > > > > > > > requires > > > > > > > > > it because of an uncontrolled tort system... > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 6:13 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > > > > > I seriously doubt that Health Care reform will eliminate > > > > > > > > > > stupidity and > > > > > > > > > > incompetence within the health care field. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 3:42 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I will listen because I can't... How can I take Obama > > > > > > > > > > > and the > > > > > > > > > > > Democrats serious about the seriousness concerning Health > > > > > > > > > > > Care reform > > > > > > > > > > > without Tort Reform??? 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