I said together... You suggest payment and delivery system without tort reform first... I then asked why not tort reform first... My point was and is an unreformed tort system IS a major factor in health care raising costs --- it effects and alters how physicians MUST practice just to avoid greedy lawyers whose principle is to sue any and all involved regardless of fault... Even if the lawyer loses, often their costs ARE required to be paid by the claimants... So if you want systemic health care reform, you must have tort reform as well... The Democrats pretend otherwise...
On Aug 12, 11:45 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > jgg, > > WHY should there be tort reform first? Who's struggling more, the > family that is facing immediate bankruptcy due to medical bills or the > Physician so financially stressed by the cost of medical malpractice > insurance he may not be able to afford a new Mercedes this year? > > Once again I ask, give me a clear definition of what you mean by "tort > reform". > > On Aug 12, 10:06 am, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Then what about tort reform FIRST... The problem Hollywood is you > > have to address all the systemic problems, or at least start to, to > > have long lasting cost saving health care reform... That the > > Democrats refuse to is telling... Your line of argument is > > fundamentally the same as Obama's lines " You have to pass health > > reform now or else", "Any change is better the no change", and "We > > have thoroughly discussed health care for 40 years".... > > > If these were true, tort reform would be part and parcel of any health > > reform reform now... People remember how the emergency "Stimulus > > Bill" changed the basic formulation of welfare payment due to > > provision slipped in at the last moment... > > > On Aug 11, 3:55 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > jgg, > > > > It does not all have to be done in one piece at one time. No one has > > > yet to give a concise definition of tort reform other that to shout > > > about "frivolous lawsuits". A cap on punitive damages ONLY would > > > probably be a good place to start. > > > > On Aug 11, 2:43 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > A partisan solution without tort reform will only make matters > > > > worse... That is the rest of the story Obama is refusing to > > > > discuss... The notion of Health Reform at any cost is as dangerous > > > > as Peace at any cost was in 1938... > > > > > On Aug 11, 3:37 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Jgg, > > > > > > I agree in principle with the solution you suggest. But I hope you > > > > > realize that the need for a better healtcare system is hardly > > > > > something new, it was first proposed by President Truman. It's ALWAYS > > > > > going to be "this needs more study, what's the rush" according to some > > > > > people. Look at the energy problem, our dependence on oil, most of it > > > > > foreign. Only an idiot would not have realized the solution must be > > > > > found after the OPEC oil embargo of 1973. Thirty five years or > > > > > possible progress towards a viable solution simple thrown away. > > > > > > On Aug 11, 1:01 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Or if you want to point to Medicare, just look to how they base the > > > > > > payments for doctor visits.... It is a portion of the ordinary and > > > > > > customary charges... So if your costs are $50 per visit, you have > > > > > > to > > > > > > jack it up to include your profit, Medicare's discount, and project > > > > > > that figure 3 years in the future... SO The visit that cost $50, > > > > > > for > > > > > > when you might profit $10 if you get $60 you might charge $100 to > > > > > > have > > > > > > Medicare discount the bill back to $60... > > > > > > > Or might a doctor have an xray machine in-house so his elderly > > > > > > patient > > > > > > do not have make a second appoint at the hospital... It would be a > > > > > > sin if he made a slight profit from THAT service (especially when he > > > > > > charged less the the Hospital)... The problem with the Health Car > > > > > > debate is it is so nuanced that to reduce it to "greedy insurance > > > > > > companies and doctors) makes it a meaningless shouting match... > > > > > > > My solution??? Get a serious bi-partisan panel whose recommendations > > > > > > Congress would have vote yea or nay... If Health Care is so > > > > > > demanded > > > > > > by the American People, it will wait six-eight months for folks to > > > > > > get > > > > > > it right.. Instead Obama demands action, regardless of viability, > > > > > > now > > > > > > for his political resume... > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 3:54 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > jgg. > > > > > > > > Really? And the fact that each and every test is billable has > > > > > > > nothing > > > > > > > whatsoever to do with it I suppose? > > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 2:39 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nor will help the stupidity and incompetence within the legal > > > > > > > > community... Why the extra tests??? Malpractice Insurance > > > > > > > > requires > > > > > > > > it because of an uncontrolled tort system... > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 6:13 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > jgg, > > > > > > > > > > I seriously doubt that Health Care reform will eliminate > > > > > > > > > stupidity and > > > > > > > > > incompetence within the health care field. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 3:42 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I will listen because I can't... How can I take Obama and > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Democrats serious about the seriousness concerning Health > > > > > > > > > > Care reform > > > > > > > > > > without Tort Reform??? Or perhaps will I be reported to > > > > > > > > > > the WH > > > > > > > > > > snitch line for actually expecting a debate on issues > > > > > > > > > > surrounding > > > > > > > > > > Health Care???- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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