>was Democrat MINORITY than just tied the hands of the poor helpless, hapless >Republican MAJORITY.
Clinton created ANWR by executive fiat. Rebublicans never had a big enough majority to over ride him or the Dems legislation that blocked drilling there. > Who are YOU to decide how much an oil refinery SHOULD cost? When Draconian regulations make it cost so much to build and run that it becomes impossible to do, it is too much. This is fairly simple. Why can't you understand this very elementary concept? On Oct 2, 4:08 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > Zeb, > > Your memory is a slippery and flexible thing. Whenever the fact that > we had a budget surplus under President Clinton comes up you lads are > mighty quick to shout that was because we had a Republican Congress > during almost all of his 8 years and those good-old Republicans FORCED > him to act fiscally responsible. But NOW, on this issue at least, all > the sudden it was Democrat MINORITY than just tied the hands of the > poor helpless, hapless Republican MAJORITY. Funny how that works out, > isn't it? > > Since when do YOU get to decide what constitutes a "irrational > vendetta?" Maybe I was crazy enough to decide that the city, state and > county DID have a "irrational vendetta" against me. > Who are YOU to decide how much an oil refinery SHOULD cost? It's a > funny fucking thing, that plumber I hired didn't agree with me when I > told him how much a bathroom SHOULF cost to build & install. > Perspectives and personal opinions are a funny thing, aren't they? > > Ditto one what is or is not "impossible". > > WHAT, no comments whatsoever on my thoughts about why on earth would > the oil companies would want to take actions that would REDUCE their > profits when it is just sooooo easy to cry "the damned > environmentalist commies and Democrats just won't LET us?" > NOTHING, not a word?????? > > LMFAO! > > On Oct 2, 2:29 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >What on earth gives you the idea that extracting oil from ANWAR, anarea > > >you describe as a "barren fuckin' wasteland, would be as cheap asthe ME. > > >Is it too much for me to assume that as a "barren fuckin'wasteland" it has > > >little if any roads & infrastructure. I also think > > > it gets rather chilly up there. > > > A) It doesn't have to be "as cheap." B) Building roads and > > infrastructure to oil wells is commonplace. They don't usually drill > > at the off ramps of interstates. C) as "chilly" as it gets in ANWR is > > as God awful hot as it gets in the ME. D) As soon as they discovered > > oil in Anwr, Clinton put it off limits by executive order. Democrats > > in Congress followed suit. > > > >Why, not long ago I wanted to put on an additional BR & bath to my >house. > > >Would you believe that I had to follow city, county and state >codes and > > >regulations? > > > Did anybody in those government bodies have an irrational vendetta > > against you building your BR and enact so many regulations as to make > > it take you ten times as long as it should take and cost you 100 times > > as much as it should? > > > >building a clean and safe refinery is time-consumer and expensive. > > > Time consuming and expensive is one thing. Impossible and cost > > prohibitive is another. > > > On Oct 2, 10:43 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Zen, > > > > What on earth gives you the idea that extracting oil from ANWAR, an > > > area you describe as a "barren fuckin' wasteland, would be as cheap as > > > the ME. Is it too much for me to assume that as a "barren fuckin' > > > wasteland" it has little if any roads & infrastructure. I also think > > > it gets rather chilly up there. > > > How is it that even when there is a Republican WH AND Congress for > > > periods of even 6 years the Democrats are ALWAYS (apparently) able to > > > do whatever the fuck they please? > > > > Poor babies, I know how the poor abused oil companies feel. Why, not > > > long ago I wanted to put on an additional BR & bath to my house. Would > > > you believe that I had to follow city, county and state codes and > > > regulations? They wouldn't even let me flush raw sewage into the alley > > > behind my house due to some nonsense about pollution and public health > > > issues, blah, blah, blah. Had to pay a LICENSED plumber (you know what > > > they cost) to properly hook me up to the city sewer system. > > > I TOLD the fools all these ONEROUS REGULATIONS would make my project > > > COST PROHIBITIVE and their basic response was obey the law or you > > > don't build the addition. > > > > Ya' get it? No shit, building a clean and safe refinery is time- > > > consumer and expensive. So fucking what? Stop your bitching, let go of > > > some of those billions in profits, obey the laws and build the damn > > > things or ten years from now the oil companies will STILL be bitching > > > "They won't let us do ANYTHING we want boo-fucking-hoo." > > > What in the hell makes you think they really WANT to build refineries > > > in the first place? Why (from their perspective) would they want to > > > INCREASE oil production and refinery capacity? THAT would put MORE oil > > > and gas into the market at a time when useage is down due to the slow > > > economy. THAT might create a surplus of their product which would > > > which would cause their PROFITS to dwindle. Just 14 months ago I was > > > paying $4.10/gal. for gas in St. Louis, yesterday I filled up for > > > $2.09/gal. YOU REALLY think the boys ar BP and Mobil/Exxon are just > > > thrilled about that? > > > > Here's an idea, DON'T extract more oil, DON'T build more refineries > > > and just WHINE "THE DEMOCRATS WON'T LET US WAAAAAH." > > > > On Oct 2, 9:01 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >The cost of oil extraction is very cheap in the Middle East. > > > > > The cost of extracting oil in ANWR is also cheap and Democrats STILL > > > > deny us the use of our own oil. It doesn't matter where it is or how > > > > cheap or expensive it is. Asshole Democraps reflexively block out use > > > > of it. > > > > > >The USA also stopped buidling refineries. > > > > > Refineries are not being built because liberal Democrat activists in > > > > the EPA have place onerous regulations on them, which drive the cost > > > > of building one through the roof and also the cost of operating one. > > > > Because of the red tape and studies required prior to even starting > > > > construction it is estimate it would take a decade to build one. > > > > > On Oct 1, 11:11 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The cost of oil extraction is very cheap in the Middle East. The USA > > > > > also stopped buidling refineries.//The American consumer generally > > > > > doesn't really care about where and how products come about until they > > > > > prove toxic or impact the global enviornment. > > > > > > On Oct 1, 9:35 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >If we have so much of it why are we buying so much of it from the > > > > > > >>ME and helping to finance our enemies? > > > > > > > Because the guys that you and your ilk keep voting in all over the > > > > > > country block, at every turn, our opportunities to use our own > > > > > > resources. One of the first things that President Clueless Obama did > > > > > > was to reverse the Presidential order allowing off shore drilling in > > > > > > the US. Jackass Clinton was the fool who blocked all drilling in the > > > > > > north of Alaska, a barren fuckin WASTELAND. > > > > > > > > CLEAN coal plants are NOT being prevented by the Democrats >but > > > > > > > by the coal industry that does not WANT to spend the money. > > > > > > > LOL! You should read up on this a bit. Democrats have regulated into > > > > > > impossibility the building of clean burning coal plants, just like > > > > > > they did to oil refineries. > > > > > > > I didn't say Dems have stopped anything about alternative energy. I > > > > > > asked what alternative energy was a plausible replacement for > > > > > > oil......or coal.....or nuclear? If you've got something that can > > > > > > replace oil products in our cars without driving us broke, I'll be > > > > > > right on the line with you flipping the bird to big oil. And why > > > > > > can't > > > > > > we build nuke plants? They don't even pollute. France uses them. I > > > > > > get > > > > > > the feeling that the "everything we do now is wrong" crowd just > > > > > > hates > > > > > > humans, including themselves. > > > > > > > On Oct 1, 6:20 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > If we have so much of it why are we buying so much of it from the > > > > > > > ME > > > > > > > and helping to finance our enemies? > > > > > > > CLEAN coal plants are NOT being prevented by the Democrats but > > > > > > > by the > > > > > > > coal industry that does not WANT to spend the money. > > > > > > > Please tell me exactly what Democrats have done to stop the > > > > > > > developement of alternative energy. > > > > > > > > On Oct 1, 1:53 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >conservation > > > > > > > > > Why should we conserve something we have plenty of , if we want > > > > > > > > it....energy? We have almost limitless supplies of oil, both > > > > > > > > discovered and yet to be discovered. We're just prevented from > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > it because of Democrats. We could build new clean coal fired > > > > > > > > electric > > > > > > > > plants, but they are prevented because of Democrats. We could > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > nearly limitless power from nuclear plants, just like France > > > > > > > > does, but > > > > > > > > we are prevented because of Democrats. > > > > > > > > > >AND renewable alternatives to oil. > > > > > > > > > Such as? Name anything that we know of that will come close to > > > > > > > > replacing oil and that Democrats won't block. > > > > > > > > > On Sep 30, 4:58 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dick, > > > > > > > > > > Also wouldn't had we learned the lesson of the OPEC oil > > > > > > > > > embargo in the > > > > > > > > > early 70's and gotten serious about both conservation AND > > > > > > > > > renewable > > > > > > > > > alternatives to oil. > > > > > > > > > > WE, both Democratic AND Republication with a large amount of > > > > > > > > > large to > > > > > > > > > the public, have been behaving foolishly concerning our energy > > > > > > > > > policies for at least 40 fucking years. Seems we NEVER learn > > > > > > > > > to think > > > > > > > > > long-term in this country. > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 30, 1:38 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Which we wouldn't be if the Congress would permit drilling > > > > > > > > > > - Zero is OK > > > > > > > > > > to let > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
