If you were a conservative you could figure it out. Logic and common sense.
SgtUSMC wrote On 12/12/2009 10:28 PM: > There are about 20 links in your post. It's hard to figure out what > you are talking about. > > On Dec 11, 4:03 pm, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: > >> He gets a bargained misdemeanor and an extra year without being >> deported. My question is why is he still illegally here. He has been >> here since he was 6 and he is now 21. He knew he was illegal so why >> did he not do something about that situation. I am losing my patience >> with people like this. If he is illegal, get it normalized however he >> has to and then we will talk. Until then, not a leg to stand on. After >> all he is an adult. Since he is an honor student then he should >> certainly be aware of the situation he is in. It would be different if >> he were 13 or so. His family should do what it has to in order to get >> the situation fixed or go back. >> >> n<http://www.nytimes.com/pages/education/index.html> >> >> Illegal Immigrant Students Publicly Take Up a Cause >> >> * Sign in to Recommend >> * Twitter >> * >> E-Mail<javascript:document.emailThis.submit();> >> >> * Send To Phone<javascript:void(0);> >> * Print >> >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/11student.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&p...> >> >> * Reprints >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/11student.html?_r=1&th&emc=th#> >> * Share >> >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/11student.html?_r=1&th&emc=th#>Close >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/11student.html?_r=1&th&emc=th#> >> o Linkedin >> >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/11student.html?_r=1&th&emc=th#> >> o Digg >> >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/11student.html?_r=1&th&emc=th#> >> o Facebook >> >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/11student.html?_r=1&th&emc=th#> >> o Mixx >> >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/11student.html?_r=1&th&emc=th#> >> o MySpace >> >> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/11/us/11student.html?_r=1&th&emc=th#> >> o Yahoo! 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The Chicago City >> Council passed a resolution calling for a stay of his deportation and >> five members of Congress from Illinois came out in support of his cause. >> One of them was Representative Jan Schakowsky, a Democrat, who offered a >> private bill to cancel his removal. >> >> Obama administration officials said they would review cases like Mr. >> Padilla's as they arose. They said the situation of Mr. Padilla, 21, >> pointed to the need for an immigration overhaul that would include a >> path to legal status for people in the United States illegally. >> >> "We are committed to confronting these problems in practical, effective >> ways, using the current tools at our disposal while we work with >> Congress to enact comprehensive reform," said Matthew Chandler, a >> spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security >> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/h/h...>. >> >> Behind Mr. Padilla's case --- and others in Florida of students who >> fought off deportation --- is activism by young immigrants, many of them >> illegal, which has become increasingly public and coordinated across the >> country, linked by Web sites, text messages >> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/t/text_m...> >> and a network of advocacy groups. Spurred by President Obama >> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/o/barack_o...>'s >> promises of legislation to grant them legal status, and frustration that >> their lives have stalled without it, young illegal immigrants are >> joining street protests despite the risk of being identified by >> immigration agents. >> >> With many illegal immigrants lying low to avoid a continuing crackdown, >> immigrant students have become the most visible supporters of a >> legislative overhaul, which Mr. Obama has pledged to take up early next >> year. In the meantime, their protests are awkward for the >> administration, with young, often high-achieving illegal immigrants >> asking defiantly why the authorities continue to detain and deport them. >> >> "Maybe our parents feel like immigrants, but we feel like Americans >> because we have been raised here on American values," said Carlos >> Saavedra, national coordinator of a network of current and former >> students called United We Dream. >> >> "Then we go to college and we find out we are rejected by the American >> system. But we are not willing to accept that answer," said Mr. >> Saavedra, 23, a Peruvian who lived here illegally until he gained legal >> status two years ago. >> >> Young people who were brought to the United States by illegal immigrant >> parents draw a certain degree of sympathy even from some opponents of >> broader legalization programs. Roy Beck, the executive director of >> NumbersUSA, a group that has staunchly opposed a legal path for the >> estimated 12 million illegal immigrants, said in an interview that he >> could support legal status for some young immigrant students. Mr. Beck >> said he would do so, however, only if Congress eliminated the current >> immigration system based on family ties and imposed mandatory electronic >> verification of immigration status for all workers --- conditions that >> Democrats in Congress are not likely to accept. >> >> The students' goal is to gain passage of legislation that would give >> permanent resident status to illegal immigrants who had been brought to >> the United States before they were 15, if they have been here for at >> least five years, have graduated from high school and attend college or >> serve in the military for two years. >> >> Known to its supporters as the Dream Act, it has been offered in the >> Senate by Richard J. Durbin >> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/richard_...>, >> Democrat of Illinois, and Richard G. Lugar >> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/richard_...>, >> Republican of Indiana. An effort to bring it to the Senate floor was >> defeated in 2007, and proponents now consider it part of a package that >> includes a path to legal status for illegal immigrants in general, an >> estimated 12 million people. Mr. Beck said he continued to oppose that >> proposal. >> >> Many illegal immigrant students who were brought to the United States as >> children receive a shock when they get ready to go to college. They are >> generally not eligible for lower in-state tuition rates or government >> financial aid. In most states they cannot get drivers' licenses. >> >> In recent years, student groups joined battles in several states for >> in-state tuition for illegal immigrants, some successful and some not. >> This year, student organizers said, they worked to tie those state >> efforts into a national network, hoping to match the mobilization >> networks of opponents of the immigration overhaul, which proved far >> superior in the past. >> >> The troubles for Mr. Padilla began when he drove home after watching a >> football game and drinking beer with friends. He ran the stop sign, and >> the traffic police arrested him because he did not have a driver's >> license and had been drinking. Eventually, he pleaded guilty to a >> misdemeanor. Immigration agents found him in the county jail. >> >> Mr. Padilla, now enrolled at the University of Illinois >> <http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/u...> >> at ... >> >> read more ยป >> >> article-sponsor.gif >> < 1KViewDownload >> >> ch_quote_120x60anim_15k_2.gif >> 14KViewDownload >> >> articleInline.jpg >> 30KViewDownload >> > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
