Zeb, >From a show taped Feb 24, 2010, long AFTER Bush left office.
I think my original comment was "you never talked like this DURING the Bush administration. Was it not? On Mar 4, 3:55 pm, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Here's Rush talking about his opinion of compassionate conservatism, > no child left behind, medicare expansion.........Bush policies. > > http://www.therightscoop.com/video-rush-limbaugh-spanks-himself-on-th... > > Skip to the 1:25 mark. > > Need more? > > On Mar 4, 4:13 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > Why yes, I do. I think they are called transcripts, lacking that I'll > > settle for a recording. Course, I can understand why no one would > > bother to preserve their rantings. > > Two minor players in the conservative talk show biz is all you can up > > up with? How about Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh? > > > How about YOUR past comments bashing the stupidity of the Bush > > administration and govt. in general....during his administration. > > > On Mar 4, 2:46 pm, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > You think there are documents concerning the contents of Mark Levine's > > > radio show or Mike Savage's radio show? > > > > Weak dodge. > > > > On Mar 4, 3:38 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > Document please. > > > > > On Mar 4, 2:12 pm, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I certainly did. And so, BTW, did many right wing talk show hosts. > > > > > > On Mar 4, 12:37 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > Funny, you never talked like this DURING the Bush administration. > > > > > > > On Mar 4, 10:23 am, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > LOL! One year during the Bush administration the DOE reported > > > > > > > that it > > > > > > > could not account for a billion dollars of its budgeted money. > > > > > > > Efficient? And you asked where the government got the data to > > > > > > > compile > > > > > > > their cost estimates. Who cares? I mean it might be of interest to > > > > > > > know just HOW they fucked up, but the larger, more relevant point > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > that THEY FUCKED UP, and they DO IT ALL THE TIME!!! The > > > > > > > government has > > > > > > > no incentive to bring a job in on time or at cost or to hold > > > > > > > contractors feet to the flames when they over run because they > > > > > > > just go > > > > > > > back to the limitless tax well for more money. Just look at what > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > craven assholes are doing RIGHT NOW. The country is in dire shape, > > > > > > > financially, and these self-interested pigs are stuffing every > > > > > > > bill > > > > > > > full of insipid pork projects, many of which are government parks > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > or other facilities requiring more government workers, increasing > > > > > > > forever the burden on tax payers. > > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 1:46 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > My dying ass it's subterfuge. Finding out who profits from any > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > action is key to finding out who is responsible for the > > > > > > > > initiating > > > > > > > > that action in the first place. Ask any decent cop or > > > > > > > > investigator. > > > > > > > > > That's why I asked from where did the govt. get their data to > > > > > > > > compile > > > > > > > > the cost estimates. > > > > > > > > > That's the point, you DON"T know, so for all you know the > > > > > > > > agencies > > > > > > > > mentioned are wondefully effecient. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 3, 9:44 am, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Who profited from it" is subterfuge. Does it matter which > > > > > > > > > construction company or cement hauler or heavy equipment > > > > > > > > > supplier or > > > > > > > > > construction or electrical union workers made more money > > > > > > > > > because of > > > > > > > > > the total inefficiency and poor planning? If you let people > > > > > > > > > make more > > > > > > > > > money by increasing your order size or taking three times as > > > > > > > > > long to > > > > > > > > > finish as planned, they'll take the money. To be sure, there > > > > > > > > > are cost > > > > > > > > > over runs in private projects as well, but they pale in > > > > > > > > > comparison to > > > > > > > > > what the government does. > > > > > > > > > > As far as the IRS is concerned, I don't know how efficiently > > > > > > > > > they run > > > > > > > > > their operation and I don't think anyone has the balls > > > > > > > > > question them > > > > > > > > > about it. > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 4:28 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > > I do, you should. Didn't ASK who was responsible in your > > > > > > > > > > eyes. I asked > > > > > > > > > > who profited from it. > > > > > > > > > > > Where did I say a particular govt. agency is particularily > > > > > > > > > > effecient? > > > > > > > > > > I said, if given the chance, corporations would steal even > > > > > > > > > > more, even > > > > > > > > > > faster with even less accountability. Oh I don't know, the > > > > > > > > > > IRS has > > > > > > > > > > been pretty effecient about sucking money out of me you > > > > > > > > > > years. How > > > > > > > > > > about you? > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 3:14 pm, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Who cares who they got their cost estimates from? When > > > > > > > > > > > the government > > > > > > > > > > > decides to do something like the Big Dig, they are, for > > > > > > > > > > > all intents > > > > > > > > > > > and purposes, the general contractor and, as such, have > > > > > > > > > > > responsibility > > > > > > > > > > > for costs AND cost over runs. If you were an owner who > > > > > > > > > > > had a project > > > > > > > > > > > being built for you and your general contractor came to > > > > > > > > > > > you and said > > > > > > > > > > > that the project was going to cost you five times what he > > > > > > > > > > > quoted you, > > > > > > > > > > > what would you say? > > > > > > > > > > > > What government agencies would you characterize as > > > > > > > > > > > efficient? The DOE? > > > > > > > > > > > Not even close. For all of the billions they have spent > > > > > > > > > > > and MISPLACED, > > > > > > > > > > > they have had little or no positive effect on outcome. > > > > > > > > > > > Government > > > > > > > > > > > bureaucracies are a malignant cancer and WILL kill us if > > > > > > > > > > > they aren't > > > > > > > > > > > stopped. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 3:24 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who did the govt. get their cost estimates from? Who > > > > > > > > > > > > profited from the > > > > > > > > > > > > cost overuns? > > > > > > > > > > > > How many guesses would you like? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 12:30 pm, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What in the wide wide world of sports would make you > > > > > > > > > > > > > think that ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > > entity could be more corrupt, incompetent and > > > > > > > > > > > > > wasteful than the > > > > > > > > > > > > > government? What government agency does a lot and > > > > > > > > > > > > > costs little? More > > > > > > > > > > > > > typical is The Big Dig in Boston, costing many times > > > > > > > > > > > > > its initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > estimated cost. Or the hole in the ground, ten years > > > > > > > > > > > > > later, where the > > > > > > > > > > > > > World Trade Center used to be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 12:32 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the recent 2008 national elections the Dems and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Repubs recieved 98% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of all votes cast. ALL the Independents and other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parties combined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only recieved just 2% of the votes cast. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Corporations will steal even more and do it faster > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with even less > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recourse available to the citizens. Read the lasr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sentance of my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous post and feel free to refute it, if able. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 9:36 am, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, we're in agreement on your first point. I've > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been supporting 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > party candidates for years. But as I commented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > above, Congress makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the rules for Congress, and our system is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > designed to ensure the two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parties dominate. I'm game for any changes that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can level the playing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > field. The reforms you suggest would be a good > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > start but I believe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more would be needed to give 3rd party candidates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a chance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree changes need to be made to our health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care system but I don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe nationalizing it will work. I simply do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not trust the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > government to run anything and do it well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Medicare is a fraction of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's being proposed and is a financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disaster. I wonder how many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples of government incompetence, corruption > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and ineffectiveness is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required before people stop believing government > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the way to solve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 9:45 pm, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Real simple. BOTH major parties are corrupt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beyond belief. You get to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vote for the candidates THEY put on the ballot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the media, both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conservative and liberal, simply ignore > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > candidates that are NOT from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the two major parties. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One start would be taxpayer funding of state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and national candidates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Put the money in a pool to be divided equally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amoung ALL candidates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that meet certain qualifications to run for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state or national offices. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NO corporate OR private contributions of ANY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sort. Enough of "the guy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who has the most money to spend wins", let the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > candidates win or lose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on their ideas and accomplishments and let the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > candidates from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > smaller parties have the same to spend as from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the two major ones. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have the world's most expensive health care, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet far from the best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time to try something different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 8:02 pm, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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