Zeb, Funny, you never talked like this DURING the Bush administration.
On Mar 4, 10:23 am, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > LOL! One year during the Bush administration the DOE reported that it > could not account for a billion dollars of its budgeted money. > Efficient? And you asked where the government got the data to compile > their cost estimates. Who cares? I mean it might be of interest to > know just HOW they fucked up, but the larger, more relevant point is > that THEY FUCKED UP, and they DO IT ALL THE TIME!!! The government has > no incentive to bring a job in on time or at cost or to hold > contractors feet to the flames when they over run because they just go > back to the limitless tax well for more money. Just look at what these > craven assholes are doing RIGHT NOW. The country is in dire shape, > financially, and these self-interested pigs are stuffing every bill > full of insipid pork projects, many of which are government parks or > or other facilities requiring more government workers, increasing > forever the burden on tax payers. > > On Mar 3, 1:46 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > My dying ass it's subterfuge. Finding out who profits from any given > > action is key to finding out who is responsible for the initiating > > that action in the first place. Ask any decent cop or investigator. > > > That's why I asked from where did the govt. get their data to compile > > the cost estimates. > > > That's the point, you DON"T know, so for all you know the agencies > > mentioned are wondefully effecient. > > > On Mar 3, 9:44 am, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > "Who profited from it" is subterfuge. Does it matter which > > > construction company or cement hauler or heavy equipment supplier or > > > construction or electrical union workers made more money because of > > > the total inefficiency and poor planning? If you let people make more > > > money by increasing your order size or taking three times as long to > > > finish as planned, they'll take the money. To be sure, there are cost > > > over runs in private projects as well, but they pale in comparison to > > > what the government does. > > > > As far as the IRS is concerned, I don't know how efficiently they run > > > their operation and I don't think anyone has the balls question them > > > about it. > > > > On Mar 2, 4:28 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > I do, you should. Didn't ASK who was responsible in your eyes. I asked > > > > who profited from it. > > > > > Where did I say a particular govt. agency is particularily effecient? > > > > I said, if given the chance, corporations would steal even more, even > > > > faster with even less accountability. Oh I don't know, the IRS has > > > > been pretty effecient about sucking money out of me you years. How > > > > about you? > > > > > On Mar 2, 3:14 pm, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Who cares who they got their cost estimates from? When the government > > > > > decides to do something like the Big Dig, they are, for all intents > > > > > and purposes, the general contractor and, as such, have responsibility > > > > > for costs AND cost over runs. If you were an owner who had a project > > > > > being built for you and your general contractor came to you and said > > > > > that the project was going to cost you five times what he quoted you, > > > > > what would you say? > > > > > > What government agencies would you characterize as efficient? The DOE? > > > > > Not even close. For all of the billions they have spent and MISPLACED, > > > > > they have had little or no positive effect on outcome. Government > > > > > bureaucracies are a malignant cancer and WILL kill us if they aren't > > > > > stopped. > > > > > > On Mar 2, 3:24 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > Who did the govt. get their cost estimates from? Who profited from > > > > > > the > > > > > > cost overuns? > > > > > > How many guesses would you like? > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 12:30 pm, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > What in the wide wide world of sports would make you think that > > > > > > > ANY > > > > > > > entity could be more corrupt, incompetent and wasteful than the > > > > > > > government? What government agency does a lot and costs little? > > > > > > > More > > > > > > > typical is The Big Dig in Boston, costing many times its initial > > > > > > > estimated cost. Or the hole in the ground, ten years later, where > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > World Trade Center used to be. > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 12:32 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > In the recent 2008 national elections the Dems and Repubs > > > > > > > > recieved 98% > > > > > > > > of all votes cast. ALL the Independents and other parties > > > > > > > > combined > > > > > > > > only recieved just 2% of the votes cast. > > > > > > > > > Corporations will steal even more and do it faster with even > > > > > > > > less > > > > > > > > recourse available to the citizens. Read the lasr sentance of my > > > > > > > > previous post and feel free to refute it, if able. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 9:36 am, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > OK, we're in agreement on your first point. I've been > > > > > > > > > supporting 3rd > > > > > > > > > party candidates for years. But as I commented above, > > > > > > > > > Congress makes > > > > > > > > > the rules for Congress, and our system is designed to ensure > > > > > > > > > the two > > > > > > > > > parties dominate. I'm game for any changes that can level the > > > > > > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > field. The reforms you suggest would be a good start but I > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > more would be needed to give 3rd party candidates a chance. > > > > > > > > > > I agree changes need to be made to our health care system but > > > > > > > > > I don't > > > > > > > > > believe nationalizing it will work. I simply do not trust the > > > > > > > > > government to run anything and do it well. Medicare is a > > > > > > > > > fraction of > > > > > > > > > what's being proposed and is a financial disaster. I wonder > > > > > > > > > how many > > > > > > > > > examples of government incompetence, corruption and > > > > > > > > > ineffectiveness is > > > > > > > > > required before people stop believing government is the way > > > > > > > > > to solve > > > > > > > > > our problems. > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 9:45 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > > > Real simple. BOTH major parties are corrupt beyond belief. > > > > > > > > > > You get to > > > > > > > > > > vote for the candidates THEY put on the ballot and the > > > > > > > > > > media, both > > > > > > > > > > conservative and liberal, simply ignore candidates that are > > > > > > > > > > NOT from > > > > > > > > > > the two major parties. > > > > > > > > > > > One start would be taxpayer funding of state and national > > > > > > > > > > candidates. > > > > > > > > > > Put the money in a pool to be divided equally amoung ALL > > > > > > > > > > candidates > > > > > > > > > > that meet certain qualifications to run for state or > > > > > > > > > > national offices. > > > > > > > > > > NO corporate OR private contributions of ANY sort. Enough > > > > > > > > > > of "the guy > > > > > > > > > > who has the most money to spend wins", let the candidates > > > > > > > > > > win or lose > > > > > > > > > > on their ideas and accomplishments and let the candidates > > > > > > > > > > from the > > > > > > > > > > smaller parties have the same to spend as from the two > > > > > > > > > > major ones. > > > > > > > > > > > We have the world's most expensive health care, yet far > > > > > > > > > > from the best. > > > > > > > > > > Time to try something different. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 8:02 pm, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > > > And where are these mythical 'better people' supposed to > > > > > > > > > > > come from? > > > > > > > > > > > Are better people campaigning against the crooks and just > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > managing to win? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, sure do. How about we get rid of DHS *and* not do > > > > > > > > > > > government > > > > > > > > > > > healthcare. That would be a great start. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 7:19 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > #1 Already answered that comment. Elect better people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > #2 Same answer as above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > #3 How about we trade DHS for Nationalized Health Care? > > > > > > > > > > > > You DO > > > > > > > > > > > > understand, don't you, that DHS vastly increased the > > > > > > > > > > > > size of the > > > > > > > > > > > > govt.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 5:53 pm, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Elect better people, restore the checks and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balances in government." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Checks and balances are built into the system but > > > > > > > > > > > > > they no longer work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Government has gotten way to big and that breeds > > > > > > > > > > > > > corruption. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Never let anyone, or any group, obtain too much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power and/or retain it for too long." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting concept considering Congress makes up the > > > > > > > > > > > > > rules for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Congress. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Did I say anything about MORE govt. involvement? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I think not." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you want more government involvement -- you > > > > > > > > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > > > > > government healthcare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 5:30 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Elect better people, restore the checks and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > balances in government. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never let anyone, or any group, obtain too much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power and/or retain it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for too long. We get the govt. that we are willing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to tolerate. WE are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for the govt. we have, there is no one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to blame except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I say anything about MORE govt. involvement? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I think not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 1, 3:55 pm, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two problems with this; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - When and where does it end. Government > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continues to expand and is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now fully self perpetuating. Someone has to step > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > up and state the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obvious – it has to stop. 2.5 million employees.. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
