Frankg, What's unproven about the tactics Beck is using?
Oh, he assumes the people that watch his shows lack the intellectual, or reasoning ,capacity to understand anything unless it's presented with the hysterical bombast of a Jerry Springer Show episode combined with a wrasslin' match. Well you might have something there. Bull. Did/are the Isreali Nazi hunters hunting down Nazis to this day due to the Nazi's political philsophy OR the brutaliality them employed to force that political philosopy on others to include the murder of millions of Jews? The fact that it is POSSIBLE to interprete his methods as not calling for violence is the probably the only thing you have going for your arguement. In THAT case, it is just as likely and probable that MY viewpoint is correct. On Mar 9, 5:41 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > It's impossible to refute an unproven theory, so I won't try. Instead, > I'll offer an alternative theory; > > Beck is raising awareness to what he feels is a destructive > progressive movement. He's using shock jock type presentation to > ensure he's got his viewers attention. His goal is to ensure people > become active in shaping the future of our country by getting involved > in the political process with the ultimate goal of voting the > progressives out of office. > > Since even you have admitted Beck has never called for violence, I'd > argue my theory carries more weight than yours. Refute it if you can. > > You suggest the analogy to the Nazis is about the brutality but I'd > argue it's about the political philosophy. You talk about how you kill > a vampire, but in fact he uses vampire to suggest the progressive > movement will suck the life (blood) out of the country. You choose to > view these things as a call to violence, but that is hardly the only > possible interpretation. > > On Mar 9, 6:20 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > frankg, > > > I've already explained that. Refute the logic and reasoning of that > > statement. Don't care what the thread title read, are you responding > > to the thread title or are you responding to my post? > > Yeah, I jumped in. So what's your point? You want to have a PRIVATE > > conservation with someone I'd suggest you click on "reply to author" > > instead of "reply". Or e-mail that person directly so no one can "jump > > in". > > > Yeah I suggested it, and gave my opinion as to how he's doing it. So > > refute the logic. > > > On Mar 9, 5:11 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Nope, you've twisted things. What I said was Beck was not calling for > > > mob VIOLENCE, as the title of this thread would suggest. You jumped > > > in, and tried to suggest Beck was doing so by stirring up mobs, so I > > > merely pointed out both sides (and I didn't say who did it first) > > > incite mob mentality by similar approach, but that this does not > > > necessarily incite violence. Only you (and, I guess, Biff) are making > > > the leap to violence. > > > > On Mar 9, 5:14 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > frankg, > > > > > So, you to do not make any attempt to refute what I posted. I rest my > > > > case. > > > > > "BUT MAAAAAAW, THEY DID IT FIRST!!!" > > > > > On Mar 9, 2:43 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Not being innocent, being honest. How is what Beck's doing any > > > > > different from what the left wing media has been doing for years? > > > > > Beck is no more over the top with his analogies than, say, an > > > > > Olbermann is. His message of impending doom is no different than the > > > > > left's during the Bush administration. Both sides use fear and hate to > > > > > stir up mobs. It is you who is playing the innocent card, pretending > > > > > as if the left hasn't been doing this for years. Warmongering; climate > > > > > change; gay rights; civil liberties; gun rights; personal privacy... > > > > > the list goes on and on. The left has led an attack on the right and > > > > > presented the right as the devil. It's all about perspective. > > > > > > On Mar 9, 3:21 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > Oh please, why pretend to be as innocent as a new born baby? That > > > > > > you > > > > > > have absolutely no idea whatsoever how propaganda works, no working > > > > > > knowledge whatsoever of human psychology, or mob pyscology. > > > > > > > Beck is doing his best to spread and encourage the notion that > > > > > > conservatives and just about everyone NOT a progressive (whateverthe > > > > > > fuck that is) is in immediate physical danger. > > > > > > Look at the names he uses, the analogies. What did "Isreali Nazi > > > > > > hunters" hunt? Anybody here not aware of the devastatingly brutal > > > > > > war > > > > > > we fought against Nazi germany? > > > > > > "Blood-sucking Vampires". What do you do to stop (in self-defense of > > > > > > course) a Vampire? You drive a stake through it's heart and cut off > > > > > > head. > > > > > > And blah-blah-blah-blah, so on and so forth. > > > > > > > Beck is doing the simplest thing in the world to stir up a mob and > > > > > > later be technically able bat to his eyes innocently and say "where > > > > > > did I call for violence?" He is convincing people that they are in > > > > > > immediate and mortal peril and must be prepared to defend themselves > > > > > > because the "evil ones" are going to attack at any momemt amd take > > > > > > their momey, and burn their barn and stampede the women and rape the > > > > > > cattle, etc. etc. > > > > > > > Next step? Some jackass, of group of them, remembers the old adage > > > > > > "the best defense is a good offense". > > > > > > > Beck ain't too bad at this, but he's no Edward bernays. Lucky for > > > > > > him > > > > > > his audiance is a dumb as a sack of fucking hammers so he'll > > > > > > probably > > > > > > get away with it. > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 8:51 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Biff, just curious... where does Beck call for Mob Violence as you > > > > > > > suggest? He asserts the Progressives will get more violent, but > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > did not call for violence in return. Call him a whack job if you > > > > > > > like, > > > > > > > but you should still be honest in your accusations. > > > > > > > > And if you object to the suggestion of violence, do you object to > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > Maher's comment that he wishes it was Beck who was killed at the > > > > > > > Pentagon? > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 12:49 am, Biff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Follow the money...who pays scum beck his 50 million? If he > > > > > > > > ever ends > > > > > > > > up viewing a guillotine from the bottom it will operated by tea > > > > > > > > partiers, not progressives. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 10:42 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Biff, > > > > > > > > > > What a complete fucking nut-job. > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 9:31 pm, Biff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Beck's website: "Progressives want you dead." On his > > > > > > > > > > website, Beck > > > > > > > > > > posted the headline: "Not 'useful'? Progressives want you > > > > > > > > > > dead" > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: Progressives "started a hundred-year time bomb, they > > > > > > > > > > planted it > > > > > > > > > > in the early 1900s." Purporting to discuss the history of > > > > > > > > > > progressivism, Beck claimed: "I saw their influence. I saw > > > > > > > > > > what they > > > > > > > > > > set up. They started a hundred-year time bomb, they planted > > > > > > > > > > it in the > > > > > > > > > > early 1900s." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 1/7/2010] > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive > > > > > > > > > > hunter." > > > > > > > > > > Telling his audience that they "are going to learn so much > > > > > > > > > > on Friday," > > > > > > > > > > Beck compared himself to "Israeli Nazi hunters" and > > > > > > > > > > commented "I'm > > > > > > > > > > going to find these big progressives and to the day I die > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to > > > > > > > > > > be a progressive hunter." [Premiere Radio Networks' The > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Beck > > > > > > > > > > Program, 1/20/2010] > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: Progressives "are sucking the blood out of the > > > > > > > > > > republic" and are > > > > > > > > > > "gonna start getting more and more violent." On his Fox > > > > > > > > > > News show, > > > > > > > > > > Beck stated that "the progressive movement is sucking the > > > > > > > > > > blood out of > > > > > > > > > > the republic" and that their "playbook" is to "lie, cheat, > > > > > > > > > > steal." On > > > > > > > > > > his radio show, Beck warned that progressive "vampires" > > > > > > > > > > have a "taste > > > > > > > > > > of blood" and are "gonna start getting more and more > > > > > > > > > > violent." > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: "Grab a torch." Asserting that politicians are > > > > > > > > > > addicted to > > > > > > > > > > spending, Beck stated: "When do we ever run those who are > > > > > > > > > > bankrupting > > > > > > > > > > our country and literally stealing our children's future > > > > > > > > > > out of town? > > > > > > > > > > Grab a torch." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 1/6/2010] > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: "I fear a Reichstag moment, a -- God forbid -- > > > > > > > > > > another 9-11, > > > > > > > > > > something that will turn this machine on." During an > > > > > > > > > > interview with > > > > > > > > > > Newsmax.com in which he discussed opposition to Obama's > > > > > > > > > > Federal > > > > > > > > > > Communication Commission policies, Beck said: "I fear an > > > > > > > > > > event. I fear > > > > > > > > > > a Reichstag moment, a -- God forbid -- another 9-11, > > > > > > > > > > something that > > > > > > > > > > will turn this machine on, and power will be seized and > > > > > > > > > > voices will be > > > > > > > > > > silenced. God help us all.'' > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: "[Y]ou will have to shoot me in the forehead before > > > > > > > > > > you take > > > > > > > > > > away my gun" and "before I acquiesce and be silent." Beck > > > > > > > > > > warned > > > > > > > > > > "ACORN, GE, Obama, SEIU" were "awakening a sleeping giant, > > > > > > > > > > and I have > > > > > > > > > > nothing to do with it," adding: > > > > > > > > > > > BECK: America is waking up. You know the American > > > > > > > > > > Revolution took > > > > > > > > > > place with 12 percent of the population? Twelve. Are you > > > > > > > > > > telling me > > > > > > > > > > there is not 30 percent of this population that you will > > > > > > > > > > have to shoot > > > > > > > > > > me in the forehead before I let somebody into my house to > > > > > > > > > > tell me how > > > > > > > > > > to raise my children; you will have to shoot me in the > > > > > > > > > > forehead before > > > > > > > > > > you take away my gun; you will have to shoot me in the > > > > > > > > > > forehead before > > > > > > > > > > I acquiesce and be silent. [The Glenn Beck Program, > > > > > > > > > > 7/31/2009] > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: "This game is for keeps"; "[Y]ou can shoot me in the > > > > > > > > > > head ... > > > > > > > > > > but there will be 10 others that line up." Asking his > > > > > > > > > > audience to > > > > > > > > > > "pray for protection," Beck claimed that "the most powerful > > > > > > > > > > people on > > > > > > > > > > the planet on the left" were "not going to go away easy" > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > "[t]his game is for keeps. This is who controls the United > > > > > > > > > > States of > > > > > > > > > > America and its destiny." He went on to state, "Just pray > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > protection, please." Beck subsequently stated: > > > > > > > > > > > BECK: You can try to put the lid on this group of people, > > > > > > > > > > but you will > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
