frankg, My point was that my assertation is no less or more unproven or proven than yours. You made the statment as to how Beck carried his message " shock jock type presentation". I merely pointed out my disdain for that type of communication.
Lot's of things/people relentless pursue their objective. On Mar 9, 7:55 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > Hollywood, > > What's unproven is your assertion that his motive is to generate mob > violence. Nice that you'd insult the people that watch the show simply > because you disagree with the message. That's classy. > > If you bothered to listen to him, his reference to Nazi hunter implies > relentless pursuit of the progressives he feels are so destructive, > his stated objective is to "expose them". Whole lotta violence going > on there. > > The biggest thing I have going for my argument is that he hasn't > called for violence, period. > > On Mar 9, 7:51 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Frankg, > > > What's unproven about the tactics Beck is using? > > > Oh, he assumes the people that watch his shows lack the intellectual, > > or reasoning ,capacity to understand anything unless it's presented > > with the hysterical bombast of a Jerry Springer Show episode combined > > with a wrasslin' match. Well you might have something there. > > > Bull. Did/are the Isreali Nazi hunters hunting down Nazis to this day > > due to the Nazi's political philsophy OR the brutaliality them > > employed to force that political philosopy on others to include the > > murder of millions of Jews? > > > The fact that it is POSSIBLE to interprete his methods as not calling > > for violence is the probably the only thing you have going for your > > arguement. In THAT case, it is just as likely and probable that MY > > viewpoint is correct. > > > On Mar 9, 5:41 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It's impossible to refute an unproven theory, so I won't try. Instead, > > > I'll offer an alternative theory; > > > > Beck is raising awareness to what he feels is a destructive > > > progressive movement. He's using shock jock type presentation to > > > ensure he's got his viewers attention. His goal is to ensure people > > > become active in shaping the future of our country by getting involved > > > in the political process with the ultimate goal of voting the > > > progressives out of office. > > > > Since even you have admitted Beck has never called for violence, I'd > > > argue my theory carries more weight than yours. Refute it if you can. > > > > You suggest the analogy to the Nazis is about the brutality but I'd > > > argue it's about the political philosophy. You talk about how you kill > > > a vampire, but in fact he uses vampire to suggest the progressive > > > movement will suck the life (blood) out of the country. You choose to > > > view these things as a call to violence, but that is hardly the only > > > possible interpretation. > > > > On Mar 9, 6:20 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > frankg, > > > > > I've already explained that. Refute the logic and reasoning of that > > > > statement. Don't care what the thread title read, are you responding > > > > to the thread title or are you responding to my post? > > > > Yeah, I jumped in. So what's your point? You want to have a PRIVATE > > > > conservation with someone I'd suggest you click on "reply to author" > > > > instead of "reply". Or e-mail that person directly so no one can "jump > > > > in". > > > > > Yeah I suggested it, and gave my opinion as to how he's doing it. So > > > > refute the logic. > > > > > On Mar 9, 5:11 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Nope, you've twisted things. What I said was Beck was not calling for > > > > > mob VIOLENCE, as the title of this thread would suggest. You jumped > > > > > in, and tried to suggest Beck was doing so by stirring up mobs, so I > > > > > merely pointed out both sides (and I didn't say who did it first) > > > > > incite mob mentality by similar approach, but that this does not > > > > > necessarily incite violence. Only you (and, I guess, Biff) are making > > > > > the leap to violence. > > > > > > On Mar 9, 5:14 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > So, you to do not make any attempt to refute what I posted. I rest > > > > > > my > > > > > > case. > > > > > > > "BUT MAAAAAAW, THEY DID IT FIRST!!!" > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2:43 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Not being innocent, being honest. How is what Beck's doing any > > > > > > > different from what the left wing media has been doing for years? > > > > > > > Beck is no more over the top with his analogies than, say, an > > > > > > > Olbermann is. His message of impending doom is no different than > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > left's during the Bush administration. Both sides use fear and > > > > > > > hate to > > > > > > > stir up mobs. It is you who is playing the innocent card, > > > > > > > pretending > > > > > > > as if the left hasn't been doing this for years. Warmongering; > > > > > > > climate > > > > > > > change; gay rights; civil liberties; gun rights; personal > > > > > > > privacy... > > > > > > > the list goes on and on. The left has led an attack on the right > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > presented the right as the devil. It's all about perspective. > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 3:21 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > Oh please, why pretend to be as innocent as a new born baby? > > > > > > > > That you > > > > > > > > have absolutely no idea whatsoever how propaganda works, no > > > > > > > > working > > > > > > > > knowledge whatsoever of human psychology, or mob pyscology. > > > > > > > > > Beck is doing his best to spread and encourage the notion that > > > > > > > > conservatives and just about everyone NOT a progressive > > > > > > > > (whateverthe > > > > > > > > fuck that is) is in immediate physical danger. > > > > > > > > Look at the names he uses, the analogies. What did "Isreali > > > > > > > > Nazi > > > > > > > > hunters" hunt? Anybody here not aware of the devastatingly > > > > > > > > brutal war > > > > > > > > we fought against Nazi germany? > > > > > > > > "Blood-sucking Vampires". What do you do to stop (in > > > > > > > > self-defense of > > > > > > > > course) a Vampire? You drive a stake through it's heart and cut > > > > > > > > off > > > > > > > > head. > > > > > > > > And blah-blah-blah-blah, so on and so forth. > > > > > > > > > Beck is doing the simplest thing in the world to stir up a mob > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > later be technically able bat to his eyes innocently and say > > > > > > > > "where > > > > > > > > did I call for violence?" He is convincing people that they are > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > immediate and mortal peril and must be prepared to defend > > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > because the "evil ones" are going to attack at any momemt amd > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > their momey, and burn their barn and stampede the women and > > > > > > > > rape the > > > > > > > > cattle, etc. etc. > > > > > > > > > Next step? Some jackass, of group of them, remembers the old > > > > > > > > adage > > > > > > > > "the best defense is a good offense". > > > > > > > > > Beck ain't too bad at this, but he's no Edward bernays. Lucky > > > > > > > > for him > > > > > > > > his audiance is a dumb as a sack of fucking hammers so he'll > > > > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > get away with it. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 8:51 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Biff, just curious... where does Beck call for Mob Violence > > > > > > > > > as you > > > > > > > > > suggest? He asserts the Progressives will get more violent, > > > > > > > > > but he > > > > > > > > > did not call for violence in return. Call him a whack job if > > > > > > > > > you like, > > > > > > > > > but you should still be honest in your accusations. > > > > > > > > > > And if you object to the suggestion of violence, do you > > > > > > > > > object to Bill > > > > > > > > > Maher's comment that he wishes it was Beck who was killed at > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Pentagon? > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 12:49 am, Biff <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Follow the money...who pays scum beck his 50 million? If he > > > > > > > > > > ever ends > > > > > > > > > > up viewing a guillotine from the bottom it will operated by > > > > > > > > > > tea > > > > > > > > > > partiers, not progressives. > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 10:42 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Biff, > > > > > > > > > > > > What a complete fucking nut-job. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 8, 9:31 pm, Biff <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Beck's website: "Progressives want you dead." On his > > > > > > > > > > > > website, Beck > > > > > > > > > > > > posted the headline: "Not 'useful'? Progressives want > > > > > > > > > > > > you dead" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: Progressives "started a hundred-year time bomb, > > > > > > > > > > > > they planted it > > > > > > > > > > > > in the early 1900s." Purporting to discuss the history > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > progressivism, Beck claimed: "I saw their influence. I > > > > > > > > > > > > saw what they > > > > > > > > > > > > set up. They started a hundred-year time bomb, they > > > > > > > > > > > > planted it in the > > > > > > > > > > > > early 1900s." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 1/7/2010] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive > > > > > > > > > > > > hunter." > > > > > > > > > > > > Telling his audience that they "are going to learn so > > > > > > > > > > > > much on Friday," > > > > > > > > > > > > Beck compared himself to "Israeli Nazi hunters" and > > > > > > > > > > > > commented "I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > going to find these big progressives and to the day I > > > > > > > > > > > > die I'm going to > > > > > > > > > > > > be a progressive hunter." [Premiere Radio Networks' The > > > > > > > > > > > > Glenn Beck > > > > > > > > > > > > Program, 1/20/2010] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: Progressives "are sucking the blood out of the > > > > > > > > > > > > republic" and are > > > > > > > > > > > > "gonna start getting more and more violent." On his Fox > > > > > > > > > > > > News show, > > > > > > > > > > > > Beck stated that "the progressive movement is sucking > > > > > > > > > > > > the blood out of > > > > > > > > > > > > the republic" and that their "playbook" is to "lie, > > > > > > > > > > > > cheat, steal." On > > > > > > > > > > > > his radio show, Beck warned that progressive "vampires" > > > > > > > > > > > > have a "taste > > > > > > > > > > > > of blood" and are "gonna start getting more and more > > > > > > > > > > > > violent." > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: "Grab a torch." Asserting that politicians are > > > > > > > > > > > > addicted to > > > > > > > > > > > > spending, Beck stated: "When do we ever run those who > > > > > > > > > > > > are bankrupting > > > > > > > > > > > > our country and literally stealing our children's > > > > > > > > > > > > future out of town? > > > > > > > > > > > > Grab a torch." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 1/6/2010] > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beck: "I fear a Reichstag moment, a -- God forbid -- > > > > > > > > > > > > another 9-11, > > > > > > > > > > > > something that will turn this machine on." During an > > > > > > > > > > > > interview with > > > > > > > > > > > > Newsmax.com in > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
