Why don't you look it up, Holly? Minutia is your forte'. On Mar 17, 4:19 pm, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > Zeb, > > Maybe it would help if you looked up the definition of the word > "everything". > > On Mar 17, 3:01 pm, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I need to address whatever the fuck I feel like addressing. And if I > > feel like highlighting VT's preposterous obsession with blaming > > everything on Bush, which he did in this thread, or your goofy, self- > > serving "interpretations" of what other people mean, I'll do it, > > whether you decide to bore the forum to death or not. > > > On Mar 17, 11:20 am, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Zeb, > > > > Ya' need to focus and try to deal with the subject at hand. I know the > > > AADD probably makes that tough, but just do your best. The subject is > > > Afghanistan and comparisons to Vietnam, not Sean's life or YOUR "goofy > > > interpretation" of it. > > > > Does is occur to you I don't give the slightest fuck what you think > > > boring? > > > > On Mar 17, 10:04 am, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I'm saying that VT's eternal attempts to blame everything in the world > > > > and his failed life on Bush are boring. And your goofy interpretations > > > > of what people mean to say are also boring. > > > > > On Mar 17, 9:12 am, Hollywood <jims29...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > What? We HAVEN'T been in Afghanistan for 9 nine years, longer than the > > > > > fighting in WWI, WWII and Korea combined? > > > > > Are you saying that is not true or are you saying that the truth bores > > > > > you? > > > > > > On Mar 17, 8:05 am, Zebnick <zebn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > You're a one trick pony. Get a new act. You're boring. > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 11:03 pm, VT Sean Lewis <thevirtualtr...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > We have been at war for 9 years in Afghanistan, if we lose it > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > because of the incompetence of Bush. > > > > > > > > On Mar 16, 10:42 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36041 > > > > > > > > > *Will Congress Lose Afghanistan Like It Lost Vietnam? * > > > > > > > > > *by Phillip Jennings * > > > > > > > > > 03/16/2010 > > > > > > > > > As you prepare for your imminent deployment to Afghanistan, I > > > > > > > > guess it’s > > > > > > > > inevitable that I’m thinking of that time forty five years ago > > > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > prepared for my deployment to Vietnam as a young lieutenant of > > > > > > > > Marines. > > > > > > > > We’ve talked about the similarities in our respective wars, but > > > > > > > > there’s a > > > > > > > > lot more I could say. The concurrent publication of my > > > > > > > > *Politically > > > > > > > > Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam > > > > > > > > War<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596985674?ie=UTF8&tag=humaneventson...> > > > > > > > > * has sharpened our discussions and my ability to comment on > > > > > > > > your questions. > > > > > > > > > First, it is critically important for Americans to understand > > > > > > > > the true > > > > > > > > history of our involvement. Most important is the fact that > > > > > > > > the U.S. > > > > > > > > military fought brilliantly and defeated the Communist > > > > > > > > aggressors in > > > > > > > > Vietnam. Yes, that’s right. We won the war. And then we saw > > > > > > > > the Congress > > > > > > > > of the United States throw away that victory by abrogating our > > > > > > > > obligations > > > > > > > > to continue support of the South Vietnamese. > > > > > > > > > Why is that so important? Simply because that fact illuminates > > > > > > > > the only way > > > > > > > > we can similarly lose in Afghanistan. You will not be defeated > > > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > > battlefield. Of that, there is no question. > > > > > > > > > But, as in Vietnam, the administration has all but eliminated > > > > > > > > the phrase > > > > > > > > “win the war” from its rhetoric about the conflict. As the > > > > > > > > administrations > > > > > > > > prior to President Nixon did in the Vietnam War, the Obama > > > > > > > > administration > > > > > > > > will continue to confuse and dissemble, not trusting the > > > > > > > > American people’s > > > > > > > > wisdom, will and judgment. > > > > > > > > > The Obama team is -- like the Johnson administration did so > > > > > > > > often -- > > > > > > > > debating the very definition of winning and even question that > > > > > > > > possibility. > > > > > > > > > However, although there are complicated and sometimes > > > > > > > > conflicting elements > > > > > > > > of the war in Afghanistan, the fact is that America (and the > > > > > > > > West) cannot > > > > > > > > abandon that part of the world to hundreds of thousands if not > > > > > > > > millions of > > > > > > > > West-hating combatants who will have access to increasingly > > > > > > > > destructive > > > > > > > > weapons, recruits and, yes, atomic weapons. Some of the latter > > > > > > > > are already > > > > > > > > in place in Pakistan, a nation whose future is very much at > > > > > > > > risk. > > > > > > > > > We are not in a war against Islam. But we are at war with an > > > > > > > > Islam-derived > > > > > > > > ideology and – if we’re truthful about it -- not just the > > > > > > > > terrorists but the > > > > > > > > nations that finance, arm and comprehensively support them. And > > > > > > > > -- facts are > > > > > > > > what they are -- those nations and terrorist groups are almost > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > exception, Islamic. > > > > > > > > > The terrorists and the terrorist-sponsoring nations believe > > > > > > > > that a > > > > > > > > non-conventional war can be fought successfully against the > > > > > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > military force ever assembled. And why wouldn’t they believe > > > > > > > > that, given the > > > > > > > > timid and hesitant proclamations coming out of Washington? > > > > > > > > > The recently deceased leftist ‘intellectual’ Howard Zinn, in > > > > > > > > his *People’s > > > > > > > > History of the United States*, begins the chapter on the > > > > > > > > Vietnam War thusly: > > > > > > > > “From 1964 to 1972, the wealthiest and most powerful nation in > > > > > > > > the history > > > > > > > > of the world made a maximum military effort, with everything > > > > > > > > short of atomic > > > > > > > > bombs, to defeat a nationalist revolutionary movement in a > > > > > > > > tiny, peasant > > > > > > > > county -- and failed.” The undeniable truth is that the U.S. > > > > > > > > used a faulty > > > > > > > > strategy far short of a maximum effort and succeeded > > > > > > > > overwhelmingly. > > > > > > > > > The considerable gap between those two statements -- failure > > > > > > > > and success -- > > > > > > > > is important and that’s why I wrote the book. And that’s why > > > > > > > > the American > > > > > > > > people need to know what happened between the end of 1972 > > > > > > > > (really early 1973 > > > > > > > > when the North Vietnamese surrendered) and 1975 when South > > > > > > > > Vietnam was lost. > > > > > > > > We cannot let it happen again. > > > > > > > > > I recently read a brilliant book by David Kilcullen, *The > > > > > > > > Accidental > > > > > > > > Guerrilla; Fighting Small Wars in the Midst of a Big One*. I > > > > > > > > hope you will > > > > > > > > have a chance to read it. In it, he outlines the “Islamic Way > > > > > > > > of War.” > > > > > > > > > Simply put, the basics are “terrorism against the population, > > > > > > > > subversion, > > > > > > > > economic warfare (there is no doubt that America fights > > > > > > > > expensive wars and > > > > > > > > even we have practical limits), propaganda, and hit and run > > > > > > > > tactics.” He > > > > > > > > also quotes the Chinese ‘rules of conventional war’ which calls > > > > > > > > for combat > > > > > > > > by electronic, diplomatic, cyber, terrorist, political, > > > > > > > > economic and > > > > > > > > propaganda means. Both methods (completely taken from the North > > > > > > > > Vietnamese/Communist playbook, although updated) are designed > > > > > > > > to overload, > > > > > > > > deceive, and exhaust the United States. Kilcullen also restates > > > > > > > > the first > > > > > > > > rule of non-conventional warfare -- there are no rules. > > > > > > > > > What a discomforting paradox the U.S. finds itself in. In the > > > > > > > > first half of > > > > > > > > the past century we sent our troops abroad praying that they > > > > > > > > had the > > > > > > > > wherewithal, courage and stamina to conquer our enemies. Now > > > > > > > > our troops > > > > > > > > leave our shores praying that those left at home can find the > > > > > > > > courage and > > > > > > > > stamina to support their almost certain battlefield successes. > > > > > > > > > So I hope that in some small way my book can help alert > > > > > > > > Americans to the > > > > > > > > true path of defeat. That it can alert them to the only way our > > > > > > > > enemies can > > > > > > > > hope to succeed against us -- the loss of heart, determination > > > > > > > > to do what’s > > > > > > > > right and necessary, and the failure of leadership such as that > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > resulted in the shameful forfeiture of blood-won victory in > > > > > > > > Vietnam. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > *Phillip Jennings served in Vietnam with the United States > > > > > > > > Marine Corps, > > > > > > > > flying helicopters, and in Laos as a pilot for Air America. He > > > > > > > > is the author > > > > > > > > of the critically acclaimed comic novels Nam-A-Rama and Goodbye > > > > > > > > Mexico, and > > > > > > > > won the Pirate** **s Alley Faulkner Society first prize for > > > > > > > > fiction with his > > > > > > > > short story, ** **Train Wreck in a Small Town.** ** A successful > > > > > > > > entrepreneur, he is currently CEO of Molecular Resonance > > > > > > > > Corporation, which > > > > > > > > is developing technology to detect and disarm Improvised > > > > > > > > Explosive Devices. > > > > > > > > He lives with his family near Seattle, Washington.*- Hide > > > > > > > > quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
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