I just talked to an old friend of mine that is the Volunteer fire chief for a small town in Ohio.... They have the records for every site that contains hazardous materials in their service area and have "By Federal Law" maintained such records since the early 70's when he joined the group.
To say that FDNY did not know or have access or have notice is just BULLSHIT !!! By federal law even a fire unit in PODUNK, USA covers this with ALL entrants and has done so for 40 + years. Maybe those "trained professionals" decided to forego their training and listen to "hearsay".... tough shit. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:24 AM, reallyconservative < [email protected]> wrote: > Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is a liar and full of shit. > > > http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/02/28/2010-02-28_a_911_smoking_gun_as_cases_go_to_trial_respirator_rule_is_revealed.html > > No - the city and feds never told people the air was safe to breathe: > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/02/07/usat-wtc-acov.htm > > Nah, there was no problem with enforcing regulations that required > people to wear respirators: > > Remarkably, not one fatal accident occurred on the pile. But the > city’s inspectors found that by late October, only 29 percent of > ground zero workers were wearing the sophisticated respirators that > were required by OSHA. Even Mr. Giuliani sometimes showed up without > one. > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/14/nyregion/14giuliani.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2 > > Nah, no ground zero workers or residents have died from rare lung > diseases: > > http://autoimmunedisease.suite101.com/article.cfm/post_911_sarcoidosis > > And while I agree that if the masks and proper warnings were indeed > provided to everyone in danger, those who chose to not wear them have > nobody to blame but themselves, it doesn't appear that the proper > warnings were provided NOR the respirators to all of those at Ground > Zero from day one. > > On Mar 20, 11:11 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > As one who worked in that area, you are full of s*it. The city had > > special setups all over the place with EMT, face masks, bottled liquids > > 24/7 for weeks after the event. We were not even permitted to go to > > work for 3 weeks and even then they still had all the EMT, face masks, > > bottled liquids after that. The technicians were all over the place to > > see that people were safe. What more could they do. I know what they > > did. I was there. I worked in that area. I have emphysema and they > > sure saw that I was safe. You really do not know what you are talking > > about. > > > > reallyconservative wrote: > > > Not true. Apparently there were a ton of toxins (including asbestos > > > and benzene) in that rubble. And the workers were told not to concern > > > themselves with it and to go about their business. That's > > > negligence. The city (or the leaders of the first responders) should > > > have made sure all of them wore protective masks before digging in > > > that rubble. > > > > > On Mar 20, 10:34 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Why in the hell would ANYONE get a settlement unless they were suing > > >> al-Qaeda ??? The only "fault" or action lies with them..... > > > > >> Talk about drinkin' kool-aid !!!!!!! > > > > >> On Mar 20, 1:12 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>> Originally published 12:05 a.m., March 20, 2010, updated > 12:30 > > >>> a.m., March 20, 2010 > > > > >>> Judge rejects settlement for 9/11 rescuers > > > > >>> ASSOCIATED PRESS > > > > >>> NEW YORK | A federal judge on Friday rejected a legal settlement that > > >>> would have given at least $575 million to people sickened by ash and > > >>> dust from the World Trade Center, saying the deal shortchanged 10,000 > > >>> ground zero workers whom he called heroes. > > > > >>> "In my judgment, this settlement is not enough," said U.S. District > > >>> Judge Alvin Hellerstein, who delivered his pronouncement to a stunned > > >>> gallery at a federal courthouse in Manhattan. > > > > >>> Rising from his chair, the 76-year-old jurist said he feared police > > >>> officers, firefighters and other laborers who cleared rubble after > the > > >>> Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks were being pushed into signing a deal > few > > >>> of them understood. > > > > >>> Under the terms of the settlement, workers had been given just 90 > days > > >>> to say yes or no to a deal that would have assigned them payments > based > > >>> on a point system that Hellerstein said was complicated enough to > make a > > >>> Talmudic scholar's head spin. > > > > >>> "I will not preside over a settlement that is based on fear or > > >>> ignorance," he said. > > > > >>> Of the proposed settlement of $575 million to $657 million, workers > > >>> stood to get amounts ranging from a few thousand dollars to more than > $1 > > >>> million. > > > > >>> Hellerstein said the deal should be richer. Too much of it would be > > >>> eaten up by legal fees, he said. > > > > >>> A third or more of the money set aside for the workers was expected > to > > >>> go to their lawyers. Some plaintiffs had agreed at the start of the > case > > >>> to give as much as 40 percent of any judgment to cover fees and > > >>> expenses. That might have meant $200 million or more going to > attorneys. > > > > >>> Hellerstein, who presides over all federal court litigation related > to > > >>> the terror attacks, ripped into the agreement after hearing several > > >>> ground zero responders speak tearfully of their illnesses and after > > >>> receiving letters and phone calls from others expressing confusion > about > > >>> the deal. > > > > >>> He said he was speaking "from the heart" out of great compassion for > the > > >>> thousands of men and women who spent time at ground zero. > > > > >>> It wasn't immediately clear whether the judge's actions would kill > the > > >>> settlement entirely. > > > > >>> The deal had taken years to negotiate and was announced March 11, > with > > >>> about two months to go until the first trials. > > > > >>> A spokeswoman for the law partnership that negotiated the settlement > on > > >>> behalf of the workers said she had no comment on the judge's remarks. > > > > >>> Christine LaSala, president of the WTC Captive Insurance Co., a > special > > >>> insurance entity created by Congress to represent the city in the > > >>> lawsuit, said the judge "has now made it more difficult, if not > > >>> impossible, for the people bringing these claims to obtain > compensation > > >>> and a settlement." > > > > >>> She said the lawyers would confer with city officials and "try to > find a > > >>> way forward." > > > > >>> New York City's chief lawyer, Michael Cardozo, said, "We have great > > >>> respect for Judge Hellerstein and will consider his comments, but his > > >>> reaction to the settlement will make it extremely difficult to > resolve > > >>> these cases." > > > > >>> Hellerstein laid out a number of proposed fixes for what he saw as > > >>> deficiencies in the settlement and told the two sides to resume > > >>> negotiations. > > > > >>> He rejected the idea that a third or more of the money should go to > the > > >>> plaintiffs' lawyers and said the legal fees should be paid by the WTC > > >>> Captive, not the workers. > > > > >>> Hellerstein said workers should have ample opportunities to ask > > >>> questions and get answers about the settlement, and he offered to go > on > > >>> a mini-speaking tour to get information to the plaintiffs. > > > > >>> "I will make myself available in union halls, fire department houses, > > >>> police precincts and schools," Hellerstein said. > > > > >>> He said more money should be set aside for people who later develop > > >>> cancer that may be linked to ground zero toxins. He said he wanted to > > >>> retain ultimate control over which workers were entitled to have > claims > > >>> paid. > > > > >>> Hellerstein acknowledged that he felt a personal connection to the > case, > > >>> calling it "the greatest burden in my life," but insisted that his > > >>> unusual intervention was legally and morally necessary, given the > > >>> importance of the Sept. 11 attacks to the country. > > > > >>> "This is no ego trip for me. This is work," he said. > > > > >>> Hellerstein spoke after several ground zero recovery workers had > risen > > >>> in court to describe a litany of health problems they believe are > linked > > >>> to inhaling the ash and dust left by the collapse of the World Trade > > >>> Center. > > > > >>> The settlement rejected by the judge would have created a pool of at > > >>> least $575 million for sick workers. That amount could rise to as > much > > >>> as $657 million if enough people accept the deal. Injured workers > would > > >>> get a payment in exchange for dropping their suits against New York > City > > >>> and the dozens of construction contractors it hired to handle the > cleanup. > > > > >>> Money for the settlement would be funded with nearly $1 billion in > > >>> federal taxpayer money that has already been appropriated. > > > > >>> The deal covers a broad list of ailments suspected of being linked to > > >>> trade center dust, including asthma, chronic coughing and > interstitial > > >>> lung disease, which involves scarring of lung tissue. Some types of > > >>> cancer are also covered. > > > > >>> For the plaintiffs with relatively minor ailments, payments would > have > > >>> ranged from $3,250 to $9,760. William Groner, an attorney on the team > > >>> that negotiated the settlement, estimated that 40 percent to 60 > percent > > >>> of the workers would fall into that category. > > > > >>> The rest were to have divided the remaining millions in the pot, with > a > > >>> handful of the sickest getting $1 million or more. The amount they > got > > >>> would have been based on a complicated scoring system that ranks each > > >>> illness by severity. > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to politicalforum+ > unsubscribegooglegroups.com or reply to this email with the words "REMOVE > ME" as the subject. > -- Mark M. 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