The EPA refuses to allow Dutch skimmers in because they are not 100% efficient? ------- Though they did not meet the EPA requirements, BP was the one that said they didn't need them, and wouldn't pay for them.
On Jun 18, 9:33 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > Life is more important than property. > > Very true but not applicable in this case. They shut the barges down > because they couldn't confirm they had life vests and fire > extinguishers. We're dealing with one of the greatest environmental > disasters this country has ever seen and the USCG shuts down these > barges for a safety checklist? The EPA refuses to allow Dutch > skimmers in because they are not 100% efficient? These are > indefensible decisions by the Obama administration. Rather than trying > to defend Obama you should be asking why he has essentially sabotaged > containment of the spill. > > I’m not one for conspiracy theories but clearly Obama could not have > exploited this disaster to promote his energy policy had the spill > been more effectively contained. I’m just saying… > > On Jun 18, 3:20 pm, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire > > extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and > > allow the house to burn down > > ---------- > > if it is an ongoing process, and one of the firetrucks could cause a > > life to be lost because of safety considerations, it would be taken > > out of service until it was safe. Life is more important than > > property. > > > On Jun 18, 2:05 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire > > > extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and > > > allow the house to burn down? The barges should have been allowed to > > > continue to do their thing while inspections and/or corrections were > > > made in parallel. > > > > This is just as foolish as the Obama Administration refusing the offer > > > from the Dutch to bring in their skimmers because the skimmers are not > > > 100% efficient at removing the oil from the water and so could return > > > water to the gulf that still contains a tiny amount of oil. > > > > If all of these systems had been put in place immediately the > > > environmental disaster would be but a fraction of what we currently > > > have. Attempting to defend the USCG or EPA for these decisions is > > > impossible. To bad we don't still have Bush in office -- at least then > > > no one would be attempting to smooth all this mismanagement over as > > > acceptable and proper. > > > > On Jun 18, 1:07 pm, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Define unsafe > > > > ---------- > > > > the ships were inspected and grounded because they did not have the > > > > proper fire-fighting and life-saving equipment. They were therefore, > > > > unsafe. > > > > > On Jun 18, 12:12 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Define unsafe - without regard to what the congress says is unsafe. > > > > > BTW did you realize that the Democratic Congress passed the OSHA bills > > > > > back in the day. Guess who did not have to abide by them. The > > > > > Congress!! So the rest of us had to put up with the OSHA > > > > > requirements > > > > > but those who worked for Congress did not. Guess the Congress > > > > > didn't > > > > > believe their own laws then. I would bet the same is true now. > > > > > You > > > > > can bet that if a coast guard vessel is in trouble and all the CG > > > > > ships > > > > > do not have the required safety equipment, the CG still goes out. > > > > > They shouldn't because it would not be safe for them.\ > > > > > > Boy are you ever easy!! > > > > > > euwe wrote: > > > > > > The state sent out unsafe barges - the coast guard has a duty to see > > > > > > that all seafaring vessels are safe. human life and all that. > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 11:34 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >> This is not about bp - this is about the state. The state was > > > > > >> the one > > > > > >> that got them out there. You are just trying to cover your > > > > > >> idiocies. > > > > > > >> euwe wrote: > > > > > > >>> They followed standard operating procedures - bp is not above the > > > > > >>> law. > > > > > > >>> On Jun 18, 11:09 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> To euwe. Now explain just what this all accomplished by and > > > > > >>>> for the > > > > > >>>> Coast Guard. Obviously the CG screwed up and they and you are > > > > > >>>> trying > > > > > >>>> to cover their asses. > > > > > > >>>> bruce majors wrote: > > > > > > >>>>> BP Oil Spill: Against Gov. Jindal's Wishes, Crude-Sucking > > > > > >>>>> Barges > > > > > >>>>> Stopped by Coast Guard > > > > > > >>>>> 59 Days Into Oil Crisis, Gulf Coast Governors Say Feds Are > > > > > >>>>> Failing > > > > > >>>>> Them > > > > > > >>>>> 696 comments > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/...> > > > > > >>>>> *By DAVID MUIR and BRADLEY BLACKBURN* > > > > > >>>>> June 17, 2010 > > > > > > >>>>> Eight days ago, Louisiana > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/Louisiana> Gov. Bobby Jindal > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/Bobby-Jindal> ordered > > > > > >>>>> barges to > > > > > >>>>> begin vacuuming crude oil > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/bp-oil-spill-thick-crude-hits-shore-wo...> > > > > > >>>>> out > > > > > >>>>> of his state's oil-soaked waters. Today, against the governor's > > > > > >>>>> wishes, those barges sat idle, even as more oil flowed toward > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > >>>>> Louisiana shore. > > > > > > >>>>> Louisiana Governor Jindal frustrated over decision-making red > > > > > >>>>> tape. > > > > > > >>>>> "It's the most frustrating thing," the Republican > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/U.S.-Republican-Party> > > > > > >>>>> governor > > > > > >>>>> said today in Buras, La. "Literally, yesterday morning we found > > > > > >>>>> out > > > > > >>>>> that they were halting all of these barges." > > > > > > >>>>> *Watch "World News" for David Muir's report from Louisiana > > > > > >>>>> tonight.* > > > > > > >>>>> Sixteen barges sat stationary today, although they were sucking > > > > > >>>>> up > > > > > >>>>> thousands of gallons of BP's oil as recently as Tuesday > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636>. > > > > > >>>>> Workers in > > > > > >>>>> hazmat suits and gas masks pumped the oil out of the Louisiana > > > > > >>>>> waters > > > > > >>>>> and into steel tanks. It was a homegrown idea that seemed to be > > > > > >>>>> effective at collecting the thick gunk. > > > > > > >>>>> "These barges work. You've seen them work. You've seen them > > > > > >>>>> suck oil > > > > > >>>>> out of the water," said Jindal. > > > > > > >>>>> Related > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/bp-ceo-tony-hayward-oil-spill-10946517> > > > > > >>>>> WATCH: BP CEO: 'No Evidence of Reckless Behavior' > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/bp-ceo-tony-hayward-oil-spill-10946517> > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636> > > > > > >>>>> WATCH: Citizens Take Charge > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636> > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/bp-oil-spill-thick-crude-hits-shore-wo...> > > > > > > >>>>> BP Spill: Oil Thicker Than Ever on Shore > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/bp-oil-spill-thick-crude-hits-shore-wo...> > > > > > > >>>>> Coast Guard Orders Barges to Stop > > > > > > >>>>> So why stop now? > > > > > > >>>>> "The Coast Guard came and shut them down," Jindal said. "You > > > > > >>>>> got men > > > > > >>>>> on the barges in the oil, and they have been told by the Coast > > > > > >>>>> Guard, > > > > > >>>>> 'Cease and desist. Stop sucking up that oil.'" > > > > > > >>>>> A Coast Guard representative told ABC News today that it shares > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > >>>>> same goal as the governor. > > > > > > >>>>> "We are all in this together. The enemy is the oil," said Coast > > > > > >>>>> Guard > > > > > >>>>> Lt. Cmdr. Dan Lauer. > > > > > > >>>>> But the Coast Guard ordered the stoppage because of reasons that > > > > > >>>>> Jindal found frustrating. The Coast Guard needed to confirm > > > > > >>>>> that there > > > > > >>>>> were fire extinguishers and life vests on board, and then it had > > > > > >>>>> trouble contacting the people who built the barges. > > > > > > >>>>> Louisiana Governor Couldn't Overrule Coast Guard > > > > > > >>>>> The governor said he didn't have the authority to overrule the > > > > > >>>>> Coast > > > > > >>>>> Guard's decision, though he said he tried to reach the White > > > > > >>>>> House > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/White-House> to raise his > > > > > >>>>> concerns. > > > > > > >>>>> "They promised us they were going to get it done as quickly as > > > > > >>>>> possible," he said. But "every time you talk to someone > > > > > >>>>> different at > > > > > >>>>> the Coast Guard, you get a different answer." > > > > > > >>>>> After Jindal strenuously made his case, the barges finally got > > > > > >>>>> the > > > > > >>>>> go-ahead today to return to the Gulf and get back to work, > > > > > >>>>> after more > > > > > >>>>> than 24 hours of sitting idle. > > > > > > >>>>> * 1 > > > > > >>>>> * | 2 > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/...> > > > > > > >>>>> NEXT > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/...> > > > > > >>>>> Read 696 Comments and Post Your Own > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/...> > > > > > >>>>> Next Story: Blagojevich On Trial: 'Give Us the F--ing Money' > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/blagojevich-trial-give-us-ing-money/sto...> > > > > > >>>>> -- > > > > > >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > > > > >>>>> For options & help > > > > > >>>>> seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > > > >>>>> * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > > > > >>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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