They had to return to port to get the corrections done, and there were no captains - which is a violation in itself.
On Jun 19, 8:26 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > It's still indefensible. The USCG could have boarded them, done the > inspection, and made the corrections while the barges continued to > suck the oil. As many have said; you do not shut down a fire truck > battling a five alarm blaze because it doesn't have the required > equipment to pass a safety inspection - you deal with it after the > fire is out. > > On Jun 19, 8:25 am, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No, they shut them down because they didn't have the proper life > > saving or fire fighting equipment. They ALSO could not find the > > captains. > > > On Jun 18, 9:33 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Life is more important than property. > > > > Very true but not applicable in this case. They shut the barges down > > > because they couldn't confirm they had life vests and fire > > > extinguishers. We're dealing with one of the greatest environmental > > > disasters this country has ever seen and the USCG shuts down these > > > barges for a safety checklist? The EPA refuses to allow Dutch > > > skimmers in because they are not 100% efficient? These are > > > indefensible decisions by the Obama administration. Rather than trying > > > to defend Obama you should be asking why he has essentially sabotaged > > > containment of the spill. > > > > I’m not one for conspiracy theories but clearly Obama could not have > > > exploited this disaster to promote his energy policy had the spill > > > been more effectively contained. I’m just saying… > > > > On Jun 18, 3:20 pm, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire > > > > extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and > > > > allow the house to burn down > > > > ---------- > > > > if it is an ongoing process, and one of the firetrucks could cause a > > > > life to be lost because of safety considerations, it would be taken > > > > out of service until it was safe. Life is more important than > > > > property. > > > > > On Jun 18, 2:05 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire > > > > > extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and > > > > > allow the house to burn down? The barges should have been allowed to > > > > > continue to do their thing while inspections and/or corrections were > > > > > made in parallel. > > > > > > This is just as foolish as the Obama Administration refusing the offer > > > > > from the Dutch to bring in their skimmers because the skimmers are not > > > > > 100% efficient at removing the oil from the water and so could return > > > > > water to the gulf that still contains a tiny amount of oil. > > > > > > If all of these systems had been put in place immediately the > > > > > environmental disaster would be but a fraction of what we currently > > > > > have. Attempting to defend the USCG or EPA for these decisions is > > > > > impossible. To bad we don't still have Bush in office -- at least then > > > > > no one would be attempting to smooth all this mismanagement over as > > > > > acceptable and proper. > > > > > > On Jun 18, 1:07 pm, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Define unsafe > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > the ships were inspected and grounded because they did not have the > > > > > > proper fire-fighting and life-saving equipment. They were therefore, > > > > > > unsafe. > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 12:12 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Define unsafe - without regard to what the congress says is > > > > > > > unsafe. > > > > > > > BTW did you realize that the Democratic Congress passed the OSHA > > > > > > > bills > > > > > > > back in the day. Guess who did not have to abide by them. The > > > > > > > Congress!! So the rest of us had to put up with the OSHA > > > > > > > requirements > > > > > > > but those who worked for Congress did not. Guess the Congress > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > believe their own laws then. I would bet the same is true now. > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > can bet that if a coast guard vessel is in trouble and all the CG > > > > > > > ships > > > > > > > do not have the required safety equipment, the CG still goes out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They shouldn't because it would not be safe for them.\ > > > > > > > > Boy are you ever easy!! > > > > > > > > euwe wrote: > > > > > > > > The state sent out unsafe barges - the coast guard has a duty > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > > > that all seafaring vessels are safe. human life and all that. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 11:34 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> This is not about bp - this is about the state. The state > > > > > > > >> was the one > > > > > > > >> that got them out there. You are just trying to cover your > > > > > > > >> idiocies. > > > > > > > > >> euwe wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> They followed standard operating procedures - bp is not above > > > > > > > >>> the law. > > > > > > > > >>> On Jun 18, 11:09 am, dick thompson <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>> To euwe. Now explain just what this all accomplished by > > > > > > > >>>> and for the > > > > > > > >>>> Coast Guard. Obviously the CG screwed up and they and you > > > > > > > >>>> are trying > > > > > > > >>>> to cover their asses. > > > > > > > > >>>> bruce majors wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>>> BP Oil Spill: Against Gov. Jindal's Wishes, Crude-Sucking > > > > > > > >>>>> Barges > > > > > > > >>>>> Stopped by Coast Guard > > > > > > > > >>>>> 59 Days Into Oil Crisis, Gulf Coast Governors Say Feds > > > > > > > >>>>> Are Failing > > > > > > > >>>>> Them > > > > > > > > >>>>> 696 comments > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/...> > > > > > > > >>>>> *By DAVID MUIR and BRADLEY BLACKBURN* > > > > > > > >>>>> June 17, 2010 > > > > > > > > >>>>> Eight days ago, Louisiana > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/Louisiana> Gov. Bobby > > > > > > > >>>>> Jindal > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/Bobby-Jindal> ordered > > > > > > > >>>>> barges to > > > > > > > >>>>> begin vacuuming crude oil > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/bp-oil-spill-thick-crude-hits-shore-wo...> > > > > > > > >>>>> out > > > > > > > >>>>> of his state's oil-soaked waters. Today, against the > > > > > > > >>>>> governor's > > > > > > > >>>>> wishes, those barges sat idle, even as more oil flowed > > > > > > > >>>>> toward the > > > > > > > >>>>> Louisiana shore. > > > > > > > > >>>>> Louisiana Governor Jindal frustrated over decision-making > > > > > > > >>>>> red tape. > > > > > > > > >>>>> "It's the most frustrating thing," the Republican > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/U.S.-Republican-Party> > > > > > > > >>>>> governor > > > > > > > >>>>> said today in Buras, La. "Literally, yesterday morning we > > > > > > > >>>>> found out > > > > > > > >>>>> that they were halting all of these barges." > > > > > > > > >>>>> *Watch "World News" for David Muir's report from Louisiana > > > > > > > >>>>> tonight.* > > > > > > > > >>>>> Sixteen barges sat stationary today, although they were > > > > > > > >>>>> sucking up > > > > > > > >>>>> thousands of gallons of BP's oil as recently as Tuesday > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636>. > > > > > > > >>>>> Workers in > > > > > > > >>>>> hazmat suits and gas masks pumped the oil out of the > > > > > > > >>>>> Louisiana waters > > > > > > > >>>>> and into steel tanks. It was a homegrown idea that seemed > > > > > > > >>>>> to be > > > > > > > >>>>> effective at collecting the thick gunk. > > > > > > > > >>>>> "These barges work. You've seen them work. You've seen them > > > > > > > >>>>> suck oil > > > > > > > >>>>> out of the water," said Jindal. > > > > > > > > >>>>> Related > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/bp-ceo-tony-hayward-oil-spill-10946517> > > > > > > > >>>>> WATCH: BP CEO: 'No Evidence of Reckless Behavior' > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/bp-ceo-tony-hayward-oil-spill-10946517> > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636> > > > > > > > >>>>> WATCH: Citizens Take Charge > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636> > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/bp-oil-spill-thick-crude-hits-shore-wo...> > > > > > > > > >>>>> BP Spill: Oil Thicker Than Ever on Shore > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/bp-oil-spill-thick-crude-hits-shore-wo...> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Coast Guard Orders Barges to Stop > > > > > > > > >>>>> So why stop now? > > > > > > > > >>>>> "The Coast Guard came and shut them down," Jindal said. > > > > > > > >>>>> "You got men > > > > > > > >>>>> on the barges in the oil, and they have been told by the > > > > > > > >>>>> Coast Guard, > > > > > > > >>>>> 'Cease and desist. Stop sucking up that oil.'" > > > > > > > > >>>>> A Coast Guard representative told ABC News today that it > > > > > > > >>>>> shares the > > > > > > > >>>>> same goal as the governor. > > > > > > > > >>>>> "We are all in this together. The enemy is the oil," said > > > > > > > >>>>> Coast Guard > > > > > > > >>>>> Lt. Cmdr. Dan Lauer. > > > > > > > > >>>>> But the Coast Guard ordered the stoppage because of reasons > > > > > > > >>>>> that > > > > > > > >>>>> Jindal found frustrating. The Coast Guard needed to confirm > > > > > > > >>>>> that there > > > > > > > >>>>> were fire extinguishers and life vests on board, and then > > > > > > > >>>>> it had > > > > > > > >>>>> trouble contacting the people who built the barges. > > > > > > > > >>>>> Louisiana Governor Couldn't Overrule Coast Guard > > > > > > > > >>>>> The governor said he didn't have the authority to overrule > > > > > > > >>>>> the Coast > > > > > > > >>>>> Guard's decision, though he said he tried to reach the > > > > > > > >>>>> White House > > > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/White-House> to raise > > > > > > > >>>>> his concerns. > > > > > > > > >>>>> "They promised us they were going to get it done as quickly > > > > > > > >>>>> as > > > > > > > >>>>> possible," he said. But "every time you talk to someone > > > > > > > >>>>> different at > > > > > > > >>>>> the Coast Guard, you get a different answer." > > > > > > > > >>>>> After Jindal strenuously made his case, the barges finally > > > > > > > >>>>> got the > > > > > > > >>>>> go-ahead today to return to the Gulf and get back to work, > > > > > > > >>>>> after more > > > > > > > >>>>> than 24 hours of sitting idle. > > > > > > > > >>>>> * 1 > > > > > > > >>>>> * | 2 > > > > > > > >>>>> > > ... > > read more » -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
