*President Obama urged a Florida pastor Thursday to call off a plan to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, warning that such a "stunt" would amount to a "recruitment bonanza for al-Qaeda" and would endanger American troops and civilians.*
On 9/8/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well Well Well!!! Look who walked in the door!!! > > Hello Lobo!! Good to see ya! I hope you have been doing well, and as > stated, it is really damn good to see ya over here on this side of the > street! We've missed you, and logical thinking folks from the left of > center here lately. > > Unfortunately, your last missive was far from logical or thoughtful. > > I don't know much about this minister in Gainesville, I've only seen him on > CNN, FOX and BBC, but he looks like a transplant from trailer park in Ohio, > (and I note that he doesn't have a southern accent). I also note that the > mainstream media has done everything that they can do to besmirch this > minister, and maybe rightfully so. > > As I wrote in another thread, I don't recall ever seeing such a media > outcry, much less an Army General come out and condemn something like > this. It is as if we are fearful of Islam, and potential repercussions > from what the government and the mainstream media like to call, > "radical fundamentalists". > > Unfortunately, that just isn't the case. > > To date, I have seen no one from the left, or our federal government, come > out and condemn Islam, and any thinking person, as well as all governments, > should come out and condemn Islam. Unlike Christianity and Judaism, which > have reformed literally countless times over the last milennium, Islam > has never reformed. > > If a Christian denomination chose to sacrifice the vestal virgins at the > alter in the name of God, or Jesus, this would be condemned, but more > importantly, outlawed. > > If a Jewish Synagogue, (or any Christian Church) chose to start utilizing > peyote or marijuana in order to communicate with God, again, this would be > condemned and outlawed. (There are numerous examples of the latter) > > Yet Islam can call for the taxation, and eventually the murder and violent > brutal death of anyone who refuses to accept and believe in Mohammud as the > true prohet. > > Islam allows for prostitution, it allows for men to take four wives, (and a > fifth wife for thirty minutes or so at their whim); and the total > subservience of women to their husbands and their families. In other > words, women in Islam are treated as chattel. > > Those Muslims who are considered to be "moderate" are in for the same fate > as us who do not accept Mohammud as the true prophet; they too are > infidels. > > There are numerous examples of how Islam is in violation of numerous > federal and state laws in the United States, yet we continue to uphold this > cult as a legitimate religion. > > I beg to differ, until such time as Islam reforms, every Mosque should be > shut down within the United States, and every individual who is not a > citizen of the United States who claims to be Muslim should be deported. > > There is nothing at all bigoted about this statement. There is nothing at > all violative of anyone's First Amendment rights contained within my > statement. This is merely even handed justice, yet no one from the current > Administration, (or the previous Administration!) has the cajones to do > what is right, and called for. > > No, I have no problem with this Minister burning Qu'rans, despite how > misguided he may be. Your premise that those who are purportedly bigoted and > "world class assholes" should be held publicly and morally accountble, I > suggest should be applied also to those who refuse to stand up to Islam, and > call a "spade a spade" or maybe better said, "Call Islam what it really is"; > which is a cult which practices illcit activities. > > Again, good to see ya Lobo!! > > KeithInTampa > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Lobo <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Before burning a Koran -- especially the way these rightwing asswipes >> want to do it -- a bookburner should either sign up to put his own >> cowardly hide on the line in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, or have a loved >> one go over there. >> >> Perhaps then he wouldn't so readily put the lives of American >> servicemen and women in danger for the momentary Nazi-like thrill of >> burning someone else's holy book. >> >> If people choose to be ignorant, hate-filled bigots and world-class >> assholes, that is their Constitutional right. But they ought to be >> held morally and publicly accountable for what they do. >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> On Sep 8, 2:10 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Before burning a koran one should have a dog urinate on it. It slows >> the >> > burn a bit and takes the muzzieshit smell out. >> > >> > >> > >> >> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > *Burning the Quran is like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. >> > > Afghanistan and Iraq are the theaters crowded with American soldiers. >> Pastor >> > > Terry Jones is waiting for a "clear message from God" to call off this >> book >> > > burning on Saturday 9-11. Lets hope God speaks up, or that Pastor >> Jones >> > > thinks he did. -T* >> > >> > > Clinton slams Florida pastor for 'disgraceful' plans >> > > By *the CNN Wire Staff* >> > > September 8, 2010 12:23 p.m. EDT >> > > [image: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she thinks we "have >> a >> > > real shot" at successful Middle East peace talks.] >> > > Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she thinks we "have a real >> shot" at >> > > successful Middle East peace talks. >> > > *STORY HIGHLIGHTS* >> > >> > > - Hillary Clinton speaks before Council on Foreign Relations >> > > - Clinton slams Bush's fiscal record, saying irresponsibility harms >> > > U.S. security >> > > - She urges Senate passage of the START nuclear arms reduction >> treaty >> > > - Clinton says sanctions against Iran are starting to take hold >> > >> > > *RELATED TOPICS* >> > >> > > - Hillary Clinton <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Hillary_Clinton> >> > > - Foreign Policy <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Foreign_Policy> >> >> > > - Islam <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Islam> >> > >> > > *Washington (CNN)* -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a >> foreign >> > > policy talk to weigh in on hot-button political issues Wednesday, >> slamming a >> > > Florida pastor for his "disgraceful" plan to burn the Quran and >> strongly >> > > criticizing George W. Bush's fiscal record. >> > >> > > Clinton warned about the long-term consequences of rising federal >> budget >> > > deficits, arguing that they will eventually diminish U.S. power and >> impair >> > > America's ability to act effectively in the global arena. >> > >> > > Her remarks came during an appearance before the nonpartisan Council >> on >> > > Foreign Relations. >> > >> > > Clinton noted that Terry Jones, the Florida pastor, is the head of a >> small >> > > congregation and said she wished that his plans to burn the Quran on >> the >> > > anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks hadn't attracted so >> much >> > > media attention. But sadly, "that's the world we live in right now," >> she >> > > said. >> > >> > > Jones' plans could harm U.S. troops, she asserted, echoing a recent >> warning >> > > from Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan. >> > >> > > The pastor's plan doesn't represent broader American views on Islam, >> > > Clinton declared. "It's not who we are," she said. >> > >> > > Clinton also slammed Jones' plans on Tuesday night at a State >> Department >> > > dinner in honor of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. >> > >> > > Jones has rebuffed pleas to call off the event, saying that radical >> > > Islamists are the target of his message. >> > >> > > On fiscal matters, Clinton had harsh words for Bush. Cutting taxes >> while >> > > fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without paying for them was a >> "deadly >> > > combination" in terms of "fiscal sanity," she said. >> > >> > > "Responsible" authorities on fiscal matters "are not being heard right >> > > now," she warned. "There is no free lunch, and we can't pretend that >> there >> > > is ... without doing great harm" to the country. >> > >> > > Republicans have tried to turn the tables on Democrats in recent >> months on >> > > the issue of fiscal responsibility, arguing that the administration's >> fiscal >> > > stimulus plans have significantly added to the national debt while >> failing >> > > to effectively restore economic growth. >> > >> > > Clinton also expressed frustration with the treatment of sensitive >> foreign >> > > policy issues in domestic politics, urging a partisan "détente" that >> cuts >> > > "across the partisan divide." >> > >> > > Among other things, she cited the START nuclear arms reduction treaty, >> > > which is slated to be taken up by the Senate in September but faces >> > > significant opposition among key Republicans. >> > >> > > The treaty has become a "political issue," she said, but "I wish it >> > > weren't." The accord is seen in Europe as an important symbol of >> America's >> > > commitment to work with Russia, she said. >> > >> > > Turning to the Middle East, Clinton said she thinks we "have a real >> shot" >> > > at a successful conclusion to the new Israeli-Palestinian peace talks. >> > >> > > On efforts to block Iran's nuclear program, Clinton said the United >> States >> > > believes Tehran "is beginning to feel the full impact" of recently >> imposed >> > > sanctions. >> > >> > > "International financial and commercial sectors are ... starting to >> > > recognize the risks of doing business with Iran," she told the Council >> on >> > > Foreign Relations. >> > >> > > Sanctions "are the building blocks of leverage for a negotiated >> solution," >> > > she said. "We will see how Iran decides." >> > >> > > The United States has repeatedly lobbied other nations to step up >> sanctions >> > > against Iran. The European Union, Canada, Japan and South Korea are >> among >> > > those that have done so. >> > >> > > Iran, however, is continuing its uranium enrichment activities in >> defiance >> > > of U.N. Security Council resolutions, according to a report released >> Monday >> > > by the International Atomic Energy Agency. >> > >> > > Iran has rebuffed international demands to halt its uranium enrichment >> > > program, saying it wants the nuclear fuel for peaceful uses. IAEA >> officials, >> > > however, have not been convinced. >> > > More: >> > >http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/08/clinton.foreign.policy/ >> > >> > > -- >> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> > > Have a great day, >> > > Tommy >> > >> > > -- >> > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >> > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> > >> >> > > * Visit our other community >> > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> > > * It's active and moderated. 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