As always CW, you are correct. One has to wonder why President Obama would be weighing in on this matter.....Why there is such a media outcry over this guy. What was the purpose of General Petraeus bringing attention to the matter?
Again, I think Islam should be outlawed in the United States until such time as Islam reforms, and starts adhering to United States federal and State laws. Why isn't President Obama and especially Secretary of State Clinton calling for Islamic reform? On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Cold Water <[email protected]> wrote: > Why is it so difficult to realize these threats from the Islamists are > nothing more than terrorism? If we don't conform to their way of thinking > they will kill us? Time to move on... nothing new there. > > CW > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tommy News <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 08:58 > *Subject:* Re: Burning the Quran: Clinton slams Florida pastor Terry Jones > for 'disgraceful' plans > > *President Obama urged a Florida pastor Thursday to call off a plan to > burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, warning that such a "stunt" would > amount to a "recruitment bonanza for al-Qaeda" and would endanger American > troops and civilians.* > > On 9/8/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well Well Well!!! Look who walked in the door!!! >> >> Hello Lobo!! Good to see ya! I hope you have been doing well, and as >> stated, it is really damn good to see ya over here on this side of the >> street! We've missed you, and logical thinking folks from the left of >> center here lately. >> >> Unfortunately, your last missive was far from logical or thoughtful. >> >> I don't know much about this minister in Gainesville, I've only seen him >> on CNN, FOX and BBC, but he looks like a transplant from trailer park in >> Ohio, (and I note that he doesn't have a southern accent). I also note >> that the mainstream media has done everything that they can do to besmirch >> this minister, and maybe rightfully so. >> >> As I wrote in another thread, I don't recall ever seeing such a media >> outcry, much less an Army General come out and condemn something like >> this. It is as if we are fearful of Islam, and potential repercussions >> from what the government and the mainstream media like to call, >> "radical fundamentalists". >> >> Unfortunately, that just isn't the case. >> >> To date, I have seen no one from the left, or our federal government, >> come out and condemn Islam, and any thinking person, as well as all >> governments, should come out and condemn Islam. Unlike Christianity and >> Judaism, which have reformed literally countless times over the last >> milennium, Islam has never reformed. >> >> If a Christian denomination chose to sacrifice the vestal virgins at the >> alter in the name of God, or Jesus, this would be condemned, but more >> importantly, outlawed. >> >> If a Jewish Synagogue, (or any Christian Church) chose to start utilizing >> peyote or marijuana in order to communicate with God, again, this would be >> condemned and outlawed. (There are numerous examples of the latter) >> >> Yet Islam can call for the taxation, and eventually the murder and violent >> brutal death of anyone who refuses to accept and believe in Mohammud as the >> true prohet. >> >> Islam allows for prostitution, it allows for men to take four wives, (and >> a fifth wife for thirty minutes or so at their whim); and the total >> subservience of women to their husbands and their families. In other >> words, women in Islam are treated as chattel. >> >> Those Muslims who are considered to be "moderate" are in for the same fate >> as us who do not accept Mohammud as the true prophet; they too are >> infidels. >> >> There are numerous examples of how Islam is in violation of numerous >> federal and state laws in the United States, yet we continue to uphold this >> cult as a legitimate religion. >> >> I beg to differ, until such time as Islam reforms, every Mosque should be >> shut down within the United States, and every individual who is not a >> citizen of the United States who claims to be Muslim should be deported. >> >> There is nothing at all bigoted about this statement. There is nothing at >> all violative of anyone's First Amendment rights contained within my >> statement. This is merely even handed justice, yet no one from the current >> Administration, (or the previous Administration!) has the cajones to do >> what is right, and called for. >> >> No, I have no problem with this Minister burning Qu'rans, despite how >> misguided he may be. Your premise that those who are purportedly bigoted and >> "world class assholes" should be held publicly and morally accountble, I >> suggest should be applied also to those who refuse to stand up to Islam, and >> call a "spade a spade" or maybe better said, "Call Islam what it really is"; >> which is a cult which practices illcit activities. >> >> Again, good to see ya Lobo!! >> >> KeithInTampa >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Lobo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> Before burning a Koran -- especially the way these rightwing asswipes >>> want to do it -- a bookburner should either sign up to put his own >>> cowardly hide on the line in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, or have a loved >>> one go over there. >>> >>> Perhaps then he wouldn't so readily put the lives of American >>> servicemen and women in danger for the momentary Nazi-like thrill of >>> burning someone else's holy book. >>> >>> If people choose to be ignorant, hate-filled bigots and world-class >>> assholes, that is their Constitutional right. But they ought to be >>> held morally and publicly accountable for what they do. >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> >>> On Sep 8, 2:10 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > Before burning a koran one should have a dog urinate on it. It slows >>> the >>> > burn a bit and takes the muzzieshit smell out. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > *Burning the Quran is like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. >>> > > Afghanistan and Iraq are the theaters crowded with American soldiers. >>> Pastor >>> > > Terry Jones is waiting for a "clear message from God" to call off >>> this book >>> > > burning on Saturday 9-11. Lets hope God speaks up, or that Pastor >>> Jones >>> > > thinks he did. -T* >>> > >>> > > Clinton slams Florida pastor for 'disgraceful' plans >>> > > By *the CNN Wire Staff* >>> > > September 8, 2010 12:23 p.m. EDT >>> > > [image: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she thinks we "have >>> a >>> > > real shot" at successful Middle East peace talks.] >>> > > Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she thinks we "have a real >>> shot" at >>> > > successful Middle East peace talks. >>> > > *STORY HIGHLIGHTS* >>> > >>> > > - Hillary Clinton speaks before Council on Foreign Relations >>> > > - Clinton slams Bush's fiscal record, saying irresponsibility >>> harms >>> > > U.S. security >>> > > - She urges Senate passage of the START nuclear arms reduction >>> treaty >>> > > - Clinton says sanctions against Iran are starting to take hold >>> > >>> > > *RELATED TOPICS* >>> > >>> > > - Hillary Clinton <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Hillary_Clinton> >>> > > - Foreign Policy <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Foreign_Policy> >>> >>> > > - Islam <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Islam> >>> > >>> > > *Washington (CNN)* -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a >>> foreign >>> > > policy talk to weigh in on hot-button political issues Wednesday, >>> slamming a >>> > > Florida pastor for his "disgraceful" plan to burn the Quran and >>> strongly >>> > > criticizing George W. Bush's fiscal record. >>> > >>> > > Clinton warned about the long-term consequences of rising federal >>> budget >>> > > deficits, arguing that they will eventually diminish U.S. power and >>> impair >>> > > America's ability to act effectively in the global arena. >>> > >>> > > Her remarks came during an appearance before the nonpartisan Council >>> on >>> > > Foreign Relations. >>> > >>> > > Clinton noted that Terry Jones, the Florida pastor, is the head of a >>> small >>> > > congregation and said she wished that his plans to burn the Quran on >>> the >>> > > anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks hadn't attracted so >>> much >>> > > media attention. But sadly, "that's the world we live in right now," >>> she >>> > > said. >>> > >>> > > Jones' plans could harm U.S. troops, she asserted, echoing a recent >>> warning >>> > > from Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan. >>> > >>> > > The pastor's plan doesn't represent broader American views on Islam, >>> > > Clinton declared. "It's not who we are," she said. >>> > >>> > > Clinton also slammed Jones' plans on Tuesday night at a State >>> Department >>> > > dinner in honor of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. >>> > >>> > > Jones has rebuffed pleas to call off the event, saying that radical >>> > > Islamists are the target of his message. >>> > >>> > > On fiscal matters, Clinton had harsh words for Bush. Cutting taxes >>> while >>> > > fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without paying for them was a >>> "deadly >>> > > combination" in terms of "fiscal sanity," she said. >>> > >>> > > "Responsible" authorities on fiscal matters "are not being heard >>> right >>> > > now," she warned. "There is no free lunch, and we can't pretend that >>> there >>> > > is ... without doing great harm" to the country. >>> > >>> > > Republicans have tried to turn the tables on Democrats in recent >>> months on >>> > > the issue of fiscal responsibility, arguing that the administration's >>> fiscal >>> > > stimulus plans have significantly added to the national debt while >>> failing >>> > > to effectively restore economic growth. >>> > >>> > > Clinton also expressed frustration with the treatment of sensitive >>> foreign >>> > > policy issues in domestic politics, urging a partisan "détente" that >>> cuts >>> > > "across the partisan divide." >>> > >>> > > Among other things, she cited the START nuclear arms reduction >>> treaty, >>> > > which is slated to be taken up by the Senate in September but faces >>> > > significant opposition among key Republicans. >>> > >>> > > The treaty has become a "political issue," she said, but "I wish it >>> > > weren't." The accord is seen in Europe as an important symbol of >>> America's >>> > > commitment to work with Russia, she said. >>> > >>> > > Turning to the Middle East, Clinton said she thinks we "have a real >>> shot" >>> > > at a successful conclusion to the new Israeli-Palestinian peace >>> talks. >>> > >>> > > On efforts to block Iran's nuclear program, Clinton said the United >>> States >>> > > believes Tehran "is beginning to feel the full impact" of recently >>> imposed >>> > > sanctions. >>> > >>> > > "International financial and commercial sectors are ... starting to >>> > > recognize the risks of doing business with Iran," she told the >>> Council on >>> > > Foreign Relations. >>> > >>> > > Sanctions "are the building blocks of leverage for a negotiated >>> solution," >>> > > she said. "We will see how Iran decides." >>> > >>> > > The United States has repeatedly lobbied other nations to step up >>> sanctions >>> > > against Iran. The European Union, Canada, Japan and South Korea are >>> among >>> > > those that have done so. >>> > >>> > > Iran, however, is continuing its uranium enrichment activities in >>> defiance >>> > > of U.N. Security Council resolutions, according to a report released >>> Monday >>> > > by the International Atomic Energy Agency. >>> > >>> > > Iran has rebuffed international demands to halt its uranium >>> enrichment >>> > > program, saying it wants the nuclear fuel for peaceful uses. IAEA >>> officials, >>> > > however, have not been convinced. >>> > > More: >>> > >http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/08/clinton.foreign.policy/ >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>> > > Have a great day, >>> > > Tommy >>> > >>> > > -- >>> > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> >>> > > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> > >>> >>> > > * Visit our other community >>> > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> > > * It's active and moderated. 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