Hi drob.... Could you explain your post, specifically.... who does what to whom? and how is any of it justified, in your opinion (what reason or rationale)? I can see it (book-burning) as an act of protest, like burning the flag.... directed at a religion (as a hierarchy) instead of a nation... but what about the actual "content" or message of the religious text? Is that what is being "burned? nominal9
On Sep 29, 12:32 pm, [email protected] wrote: > It appears that free speech destroys speech when the person in control usurps > the rights of others out of disapproval of the message. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nominal9" <[email protected]> > To: "PoliticalForum" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:20:56 PM > Subject: Re: TRUTH IS THE NEW HATE SPEECH > > Kind of counter intuitive though, don't you think.... "Free Speech is > destroying Speech? > > On Sep 29, 11:50 am, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Nazis burned BOOKS AND JEWS.... was that covered by "Free Speech" > > for Peretz, too? > > > Now THAT IS BELOW THE BELT..... BUT JUST SAYIN'..... > > > Actually, there is a big difference between murder and burning a book, > > of course... Personally, I can see "Free Speech" allowing burning a > > Koran, a Bible, A Torah... the Dead Sea Scrolls... the original Ten > > Commandments of Moses...anything like that.... > > But depending on the "intent".....at least "some" who do burn > > books..... well, they happen to be bigots and racists.... > > nominal9 > > > On Sep 29, 11:25 am, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > hate is the right's new "truth" > > > > On Sep 27, 4:38 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *« Islamic (Sharia) Law: Stoning Video Surfaces from Pakistan > > > > **Graphic > > > > Warning** Stoned to > > > > death*<http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/09/islamic-shari...> > > > > | *Main* <http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/> | *OCTOBER > > > > 9 > > > > FDI/SIOA and VAST PROTEST! GROUND ZERO MOSQUE THUG DEVELOPER AT > > > > HAMAS-LINKED > > > > CAIR DINNER > > > > »*<http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/09/october-9-pro...> > > > > Saturday, September 25, 2010 > > > > CRITICISM OF ISLAM IS NEW FRONT IN PC WAR, MEDIA EXPERT SAYS > > > > TRUTH IS THE NEW HATE SPEECH, SAYS PAMELA GELLER > > > > > This is the sharia. The silence on Islamic jihad in the media, on the > > > > college campuses, in the government, etc., is sharia. I will ask this > > > > for > > > > the zillionth time. Why is CAIR, named an unindicted co-conspirator, a > > > > known > > > > Hamas-linked, Muslim Brotherhood front, given senior status on media > > > > outlets > > > > everywhere? Their unindicted co-conspirator status came from their > > > > support > > > > for the Holy Land Foundation, that was funding Hamas, and CAIR > > > > co-founder > > > > Nihad Awad was vocal in his support of the genocidal, Islamic jihadist > > > > group. This was entered into evidence in the largest terror funding > > > > trial in > > > > American history, the Holy Land trial. > > > > > But they get the mainstream media megaphone to spew their Islamic > > > > supremacist hate and defamation. CAIR hates me because I speak the truth > > > > about jihad and Islamic supremacism. CAIR hates me because I help > > > > Muslims > > > > whose lives are in danger. CAIR hates me because I have aided and > > > > assisted > > > > in an underground railroad for those leaving Islam. I have worked to > > > > mark > > > > the graves of honor killing victims left to rot in unmarked graves. We > > > > have > > > > planted a grove of trees in Jerusalem for honor killing victims across > > > > the > > > > world. What have the Islamic imperialists and supremacists done for the > > > > victims of jihad? Name one thing. > > > > > CAIR hates me. Islamic supremacists hate me because I am free. They hate > > > > freedom. > > > > > The media has been irresponsible in their aiding and abetting of the > > > > stealth > > > > jihad. Where are the voices of Wafa Sultan, Ibn Warraq, Bat Ye'or, Ayaan > > > > Hirsi Ali, etc? Why are they not given equal time? > > > > > Molly Norris, an unknown Seattle cartoonist, must go into witness > > > > protection > > > > because she dared to initiate "Everyone Draw Muhammad Day," a response > > > > to > > > > the Muslim death threats against the producers of Comedy Central (they > > > > dared > > > > to say Muhammad and put him in a huggy bear costume). So Norris has to > > > > change her name, leave her job, her home, her life, *at her own > > > > **expense**, > > > > * because savages were ........... offended. President Obama, how about > > > > you > > > > use a smidge of the trillions in stimulus and keep Norris safe at the > > > > White > > > > House? We should be footing that bill. Norris should get the best > > > > protection > > > > our free, Western money can buy. > > > > > I have one word for CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MAS and all the other Muslim > > > > Brotherhood fronts and their media shills. One word. *America. *That's > > > > right. America. America is waking up. Subversives and outlaw > > > > organizations > > > > like CAIR will face prosecution one day. Mark my words. > > > > > As for for the highly defamatory and notoriously leftist smear machine > > > > Media > > > > Matters calling me a bigot, I wear it as a badge of honor coming from > > > > the > > > > propaganda machine of the king of the Nazis, George Soros. > > > > > *Criticism of Islam Is New Front in PC War, Media > > > > Expert*<http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/24/criticizing-islam-harvard-profes...> > > > > Says > > > > Joshua Rhett Miler, FOX > > > > > The mere act of criticizing Islam has become an act of politically > > > > incorrect > > > > hate speech, a media analyst and free-speech advocate says, citing > > > > several > > > > incidents in recent weeks where people have been lambasted publicly for > > > > their remarks. > > > > > *"We're living in a 'here and now' where no one's allowed to say > > > > anything > > > > bad about Islam, it seems,*" says Dan Gainor, vice president of > > > > business and > > > > culture at the Media Research Center. > > > > > The most recent transgressor, he says, is Marty Peretz, the > > > > editor-in-chief > > > > of The New Republic and a former Harvard professor, who has come under > > > > attack for a Sept. 4 blog post in which he wrote: "Muslim life is cheap, > > > > most notably to Muslims," and questioned whether Muslims deserved > > > > protection > > > > from the First Amendment. > > > > > Peretz apologized for the posting nine days later, saying he deeply > > > > regretted the statements and that he was genuinely embarrassed. But > > > > that did > > > > not stop Harvard students, faculty and alumni from writing an open > > > > letter to > > > > Harvard President Drew Faust in which they protested Peretz's > > > > appearance, > > > > scheduled for Saturday, at a Harvard anniversary ceremony. > > > > > Harvard has also drawn criticism for accepting an undergraduate research > > > > endowment fund created by relatives, former students and colleagues in > > > > Peretz's name. The fund's proposed amount has recently increased from > > > > $500,000 to $650,000, leading some social studies professors to > > > > interpret > > > > the increase as an indication of support for Peretz, Simon Sternin, a > > > > Harvard alum and an organizer of the petition, told the Harvard Crimson. > > > > > The most recent transgressor, he says, is Marty Peretz, the > > > > editor-in-chief > > > > of The New Republic and a former Harvard professor, who has come under > > > > attack for a Sept. 4 blog post in which he wrote: "Muslim life is cheap, > > > > most notably to Muslims," and questioned whether Muslims deserved > > > > protection > > > > from the First Amendment. > > > > > Peretz apologized for the posting nine days later, saying he deeply > > > > regretted the statements and that he was genuinely embarrassed. But > > > > that did > > > > not stop Harvard students, faculty and alumni from writing an open > > > > letter to > > > > Harvard President Drew Faust in which they protested Peretz's > > > > appearance, > > > > scheduled for Saturday, at a Harvard anniversary ceremony. > > > > > Harvard has also drawn criticism for accepting an undergraduate research > > > > endowment fund created by relatives, former students and colleagues in > > > > Peretz's name. The fund's proposed amount has recently increased from > > > > $500,000 to $650,000, leading some social studies professors to > > > > interpret > > > > the increase as an indication of support for Peretz, Simon Sternin, a > > > > Harvard alum and an organizer of the petition, told the Harvard Crimson. > > > > > But Gainor says criticism of Peretz's comments has gotten out of hand. > > > > > "We're fighting a war against radical Islam," Gainor told > > > > FoxNews.com<http://foxnews.com/>. "For > > > > radical Islam, life is cheap, both for their lives and our lives. The > > > > left > > > > has become so indoctrinaire that they're more concerned about being > > > > politically correct than they are about protecting our nation." > > > > > The media is complicit, too, Gainor said, accusing them of "zooming in > > > > on > > > > anybody who is saying anything critical of Islam." > > > > > To illustrate his point, Gainor recalled* Derek Fenton, the **New > > > > Jersey** man > > > > who lost his job of 11 years at NJ Transit, the state's public ** > > > > transportation** corporation, after he burned a Koran outside the site > > > > of > > > > the planned "Ground Zero Mosque" on Sept. 11. Fenton, 39, was not > > > > arrested, > > > > but he nevertheless lost his job because NJ Transit said his actions > > > > violated their code of ethics.* > > > > > *"The lack of media indignation on that one is astonishing," *Gainor > > > > said. "Our media allegedly embraces free speech, but it doesn't. It only > > > > embraces free speech that doesn't possibly offend Islam. If he had been > > > > fired for burning a Bible, he would've been on every evening network > > > > news > > > > show. It's free speech. It's not something I would do, but it's still > > > > free > > > > speech." > > > > > Gainor also pointed to the case of Pastor Terry Jones, the Gainesville, > > > > Fla., minister who threatened to burn the Koran on Sept. 11 but changed > > > > his > > > > mind after a call from the White House. Jones' threat became global > > > > news, > > > > inciting protests and threats of reprisal in Afghanistan and elsewhere. > > > > > "Again, it shows how PC we've become," Gainor said.* "Some idiot can > > > > burn a > > > > book anywhere in the country, but if you dare burn a Koran, it becomes > > > > an > > > > international incident."* > > > > > Just last week, Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer said he's not > > > > prepared > > > > to > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
