Burning the bible, burning the flag, placing a crucifix in urine, desecrating religious (christian statutes), feces on the virgin mary, etc. have been protected under freedom of speech/expression. Burn a koran or say something about muhammad and all of a sudden the freedoms are not extended. Do you think that the double standard would exist if Obama wasn't in the white house? He has bowed and kissed the rear of every middle eastern to the detriment of the rights of every u.s. citizen. I don't agree with the form of protest, but if it's protected in one situation it should be across the board. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nominal9" <[email protected]> To: "PoliticalForum" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:35:04 PM Subject: Re: TRUTH IS THE NEW HATE SPEECH
Hi drob.... Could you explain your post, specifically.... who does what to whom? and how is any of it justified, in your opinion (what reason or rationale)? I can see it (book-burning) as an act of protest, like burning the flag.... directed at a religion (as a hierarchy) instead of a nation... but what about the actual "content" or message of the religious text? Is that what is being "burned? nominal9 On Sep 29, 12:32 pm, [email protected] wrote: > It appears that free speech destroys speech when the person in control usurps > the rights of others out of disapproval of the message. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nominal9" <[email protected]> > To: "PoliticalForum" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:20:56 PM > Subject: Re: TRUTH IS THE NEW HATE SPEECH > > Kind of counter intuitive though, don't you think.... "Free Speech is > destroying Speech? > > On Sep 29, 11:50 am, nominal9 <[email protected]> wrote: > > The Nazis burned BOOKS AND JEWS.... was that covered by "Free Speech" > > for Peretz, too? > > > Now THAT IS BELOW THE BELT..... BUT JUST SAYIN'..... > > > Actually, there is a big difference between murder and burning a book, > > of course... Personally, I can see "Free Speech" allowing burning a > > Koran, a Bible, A Torah... the Dead Sea Scrolls... the original Ten > > Commandments of Moses...anything like that.... > > But depending on the "intent".....at least "some" who do burn > > books..... well, they happen to be bigots and racists.... > > nominal9 > > > On Sep 29, 11:25 am, euwe <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > hate is the right's new "truth" > > > > On Sep 27, 4:38 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *« Islamic (Sharia) Law: Stoning Video Surfaces from Pakistan > > > > **Graphic > > > > Warning** Stoned to > > > > death*<http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/09/islamic-shari...> > > > > > > > > | *Main* <http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/> | *OCTOBER > > > > 9 > > > > FDI/SIOA and VAST PROTEST! GROUND ZERO MOSQUE THUG DEVELOPER AT > > > > HAMAS-LINKED > > > > CAIR DINNER > > > > »*<http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/09/october-9-pro...> > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 25, 2010 > > > > CRITICISM OF ISLAM IS NEW FRONT IN PC WAR, MEDIA EXPERT SAYS > > > > TRUTH IS THE NEW HATE SPEECH, SAYS PAMELA GELLER > > > > > This is the sharia. The silence on Islamic jihad in the media, on the > > > > college campuses, in the government, etc., is sharia. I will ask this > > > > for > > > > the zillionth time. Why is CAIR, named an unindicted co-conspirator, a > > > > known > > > > Hamas-linked, Muslim Brotherhood front, given senior status on media > > > > outlets > > > > everywhere? Their unindicted co-conspirator status came from their > > > > support > > > > for the Holy Land Foundation, that was funding Hamas, and CAIR > > > > co-founder > > > > Nihad Awad was vocal in his support of the genocidal, Islamic jihadist > > > > group. This was entered into evidence in the largest terror funding > > > > trial in > > > > American history, the Holy Land trial. > > > > > But they get the mainstream media megaphone to spew their Islamic > > > > supremacist hate and defamation. CAIR hates me because I speak the > > > > truth > > > > about jihad and Islamic supremacism. CAIR hates me because I help > > > > Muslims > > > > whose lives are in danger. CAIR hates me because I have aided and > > > > assisted > > > > in an underground railroad for those leaving Islam. I have worked to > > > > mark > > > > the graves of honor killing victims left to rot in unmarked graves. We > > > > have > > > > planted a grove of trees in Jerusalem for honor killing victims across > > > > the > > > > world. What have the Islamic imperialists and supremacists done for the > > > > victims of jihad? Name one thing. > > > > > CAIR hates me. Islamic supremacists hate me because I am free. They > > > > hate > > > > freedom. > > > > > The media has been irresponsible in their aiding and abetting of the > > > > stealth > > > > jihad. Where are the voices of Wafa Sultan, Ibn Warraq, Bat Ye'or, > > > > Ayaan > > > > Hirsi Ali, etc? Why are they not given equal time? > > > > > Molly Norris, an unknown Seattle cartoonist, must go into witness > > > > protection > > > > because she dared to initiate "Everyone Draw Muhammad Day," a response > > > > to > > > > the Muslim death threats against the producers of Comedy Central (they > > > > dared > > > > to say Muhammad and put him in a huggy bear costume). So Norris has to > > > > change her name, leave her job, her home, her life, *at her own > > > > **expense**, > > > > * because savages were ........... offended. President Obama, how about > > > > you > > > > use a smidge of the trillions in stimulus and keep Norris safe at the > > > > White > > > > House? We should be footing that bill. Norris should get the best > > > > protection > > > > our free, Western money can buy. > > > > > I have one word for CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MAS and all the other Muslim > > > > Brotherhood fronts and their media shills. One word. *America. *That's > > > > right. America. America is waking up. Subversives and outlaw > > > > organizations > > > > like CAIR will face prosecution one day. Mark my words. > > > > > As for for the highly defamatory and notoriously leftist smear machine > > > > Media > > > > Matters calling me a bigot, I wear it as a badge of honor coming from > > > > the > > > > propaganda machine of the king of the Nazis, George Soros. > > > > > *Criticism of Islam Is New Front in PC War, Media > > > > Expert*<http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/24/criticizing-islam-harvard-profes...> > > > > > > > > Says > > > > Joshua Rhett Miler, FOX > > > > > The mere act of criticizing Islam has become an act of politically > > > > incorrect > > > > hate speech, a media analyst and free-speech advocate says, citing > > > > several > > > > incidents in recent weeks where people have been lambasted publicly for > > > > their remarks. > > > > > *"We're living in a 'here and now' where no one's allowed to say > > > > anything > > > > bad about Islam, it seems,*" says Dan Gainor, vice president of > > > > business and > > > > culture at the Media Research Center. > > > > > The most recent transgressor, he says, is Marty Peretz, the > > > > editor-in-chief > > > > of The New Republic and a former Harvard professor, who has come under > > > > attack for a Sept. 4 blog post in which he wrote: "Muslim life is > > > > cheap, > > > > most notably to Muslims," and questioned whether Muslims deserved > > > > protection > > > > from the First Amendment. > > > > > Peretz apologized for the posting nine days later, saying he deeply > > > > regretted the statements and that he was genuinely embarrassed. But > > > > that did > > > > not stop Harvard students, faculty and alumni from writing an open > > > > letter to > > > > Harvard President Drew Faust in which they protested Peretz's > > > > appearance, > > > > scheduled for Saturday, at a Harvard anniversary ceremony. > > > > > Harvard has also drawn criticism for accepting an undergraduate > > > > research > > > > endowment fund created by relatives, former students and colleagues in > > > > Peretz's name. The fund's proposed amount has recently increased from > > > > $500,000 to $650,000, leading some social studies professors to > > > > interpret > > > > the increase as an indication of support for Peretz, Simon Sternin, a > > > > Harvard alum and an organizer of the petition, told the Harvard > > > > Crimson. > > > > > The most recent transgressor, he says, is Marty Peretz, the > > > > editor-in-chief > > > > of The New Republic and a former Harvard professor, who has come under > > > > attack for a Sept. 4 blog post in which he wrote: "Muslim life is > > > > cheap, > > > > most notably to Muslims," and questioned whether Muslims deserved > > > > protection > > > > from the First Amendment. > > > > > Peretz apologized for the posting nine days later, saying he deeply > > > > regretted the statements and that he was genuinely embarrassed. But > > > > that did > > > > not stop Harvard students, faculty and alumni from writing an open > > > > letter to > > > > Harvard President Drew Faust in which they protested Peretz's > > > > appearance, > > > > scheduled for Saturday, at a Harvard anniversary ceremony. > > > > > Harvard has also drawn criticism for accepting an undergraduate > > > > research > > > > endowment fund created by relatives, former students and colleagues in > > > > Peretz's name. The fund's proposed amount has recently increased from > > > > $500,000 to $650,000, leading some social studies professors to > > > > interpret > > > > the increase as an indication of support for Peretz, Simon Sternin, a > > > > Harvard alum and an organizer of the petition, told the Harvard > > > > Crimson. > > > > > But Gainor says criticism of Peretz's comments has gotten out of hand. > > > > > "We're fighting a war against radical Islam," Gainor told > > > > FoxNews.com<http://foxnews.com/>. "For > > > > radical Islam, life is cheap, both for their lives and our lives. The > > > > left > > > > has become so indoctrinaire that they're more concerned about being > > > > politically correct than they are about protecting our nation." > > > > > The media is complicit, too, Gainor said, accusing them of "zooming in > > > > on > > > > anybody who is saying anything critical of Islam." > > > > > To illustrate his point, Gainor recalled* Derek Fenton, the **New > > > > Jersey** man > > > > who lost his job of 11 years at NJ Transit, the state's public ** > > > > transportation** corporation, after he burned a Koran outside the site > > > > of > > > > the planned "Ground Zero Mosque" on Sept. 11. Fenton, 39, was not > > > > arrested, > > > > but he nevertheless lost his job because NJ Transit said his actions > > > > violated their code of ethics.* > > > > > *"The lack of media indignation on that one is astonishing," *Gainor > > > > said. "Our media allegedly embraces free speech, but it doesn't. It > > > > only > > > > embraces free speech that doesn't possibly offend Islam. If he had been > > > > fired for burning a Bible, he would've been on every evening network > > > > news > > > > show. It's free speech. It's not something I would do, but it's still > > > > free > > > > speech." > > > > > Gainor also pointed to the case of Pastor Terry Jones, the Gainesville, > > > > Fla., minister who threatened to burn the Koran on Sept. 11 but changed > > > > his > > > > mind after a call from the White House. Jones' threat became global > > > > news, > > > > inciting protests and threats of reprisal in Afghanistan and elsewhere. > > > > > "Again, it shows how PC we've become," Gainor said.* "Some idiot can > > > > burn a > > > > book anywhere in the country, but if you dare burn a Koran, it becomes > > > > an > > > > international incident."* > > > > > Just last week, Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer said he's not > > > > prepared > > > > to > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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