So if Obama does not get re-elected and "his" healthcare law is upheld yet not fully implemented when a republican is elected THAT republican gets the credit for implementing those policies. Many parts of the law do not go into effect for 3 or 4 more years.
Yes or No. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Dubya said that ending the war in Iraq woul be up to "Some Future > President". > He simply wanted to take credit, as many oportunistic Republican > politicians do. > > This demonstrates the hypocricy and oportunistic political > flip-flopping of Republican politicians at its worst. > > On 10/21/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yet the deal was struck and everyone had signed based on Georgy Girls > work > > and completed negotiations prior to Nobama having any thing to do with > it... > > go figure. > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> No. > >> > >> Dubya said that ending the war in Iraq woul be up to "Some Future > >> President". > >> He simply wanted to take credit, as many opportunistic Republican > >> politicians do. > >> > >> On 10/21/10, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, > >> > > >> > You forget that I require facts.... This deal was being negotiated a > >> > full > >> > year before Obama was even in the primary elections let alone a real > >> > candidate for the Democrats. Nobama had "0" to do with it... General > >> > Petraeus was the impetus after the success of the "Surge" and with > the > >> > insistence of the new Iraqi Government as well. > >> > > >> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> False. > >> >> > >> >> The Faux deal was signed because President Obama was about to do it > >> >> and Dubya wanted the credit. > >> >> > >> >> On 10/21/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Tommy, > >> >> > > >> >> > I am NOT a fan of Georgy Girl Bush. He did however cut and sign the > >> >> > deal to end Iraq before he left office. NoBama is simply > implementing > >> >> > the republican signed plan. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Oct 21, 7:36 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> I cannot open adobe documents on my old computer. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Bush himself admitted that there were no WMDs in Iraq. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The illegal invasion of Iraq was in reality a personal Bush family > >> >> >> vendetta against Sadaaam Hussein, who tried to kill Daddy Bush, > >> >> >> combined with the war profiteering greed of Dick Cheney and his > >> >> >> Halliburton cronies. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> The unilateral invasion of Iraq violated both the Geneva > Convention > >> >> >> and The United Nations Charter, and the war criminals Bush, > Cheney, > >> >> >> Rove, Rice, and Rumsfeld should be impeached, tried and > imprisoned. > >> >> >> Yes, they can still be impeached even after they have left office. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thankfully, President Obama has ended the illegal Iraq war, and he > >> has > >> >> >> promised to also end the war in Afghanistan beginning in 2011. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> PEACE! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Whoops! I forgot to attach the attachment! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Apologies! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Keith > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Keith In Tampa > >> >> >> > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Hey Michael, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Maybe that great Irish American, Jude Wannanski might want to > >> >> >> >> take > >> >> >> >> up > >> >> >> >> his > >> >> >> >> research, and resources with John Negroponte, and the United > >> States > >> >> >> >> Congress. (*See* Attachment, in .pdf format, from June 21, > >> >> >> >> 2006). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Below is info from the Congressional Research Office, of the > >> >> >> >> weaponry > >> >> >> >> that > >> >> >> >> was unaccounted for, and at the time that we invaded Iraq, none > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> these > >> >> >> >> biological weapons had been located. Again, *See* > >> Attachment....We > >> >> did > >> >> >> >> find some of them. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Below that, is other articles that conclusively prove that not > >> only > >> >> did > >> >> >> >> we > >> >> >> >> discover that there had been biological weaponry and potential > >> >> nuclear > >> >> >> >> weaponry in Iraq, but we still, to date, have not accounted for > >> all > >> >> of > >> >> >> >> Saddam Hussein's and the Baath Party's weaponry. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Anything else, is nothing but far left, liberal mainstream spin > >> and > >> >> >> >> bias, > >> >> >> >> which folks like Tom fall for and quote, hook, line and sinker. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Tommy, there is some "special" information for you, as well as > a > >> You > >> >> >> >> Tube > >> >> >> >> video clip for you to watch at the bottom of this message: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> =========== > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> From the Congressional Research Service: April, 1998: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Iraq has also acknowledged that prior to the > >> >> >> >> Persian<http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/crs/98042705_npo.html# > >> >Gulf > >> >> >> >> conflict it > >> >> >> >> manufactured 100 botulinum bombs, 50 anthrax bombs, and 7 > >> aflatoxin > >> >> >> >> bombs. > >> >> >> >> In addition, 16 missile warheads were filled with botulinum, > five > >> >> with > >> >> >> >> anthrax bacillus, and four with aflatoxin. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> U.S. and British intelligence agencies believe that Iraq has > >> hidden > >> >> >> >> stores of CBW agents, production equipment, ballistic missiles, > >> and > >> >> >> >> missile warheads. UNSCOM has reported no firm evidence that > Iraq > >> >> still > >> >> >> >> retains weapons or materiel, but the Iraqi government has not > >> >> provided > >> >> >> >> adequate evidence to support its claim that all its CBW arsenal > >> has > >> >> >> >> been > >> >> >> >> destroyed, nor has it accounted for CBW production materials > >> >> >> >> known > >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> have > >> >> >> >> been in its possession. These factors, coupled with Iraqi > >> >> >> >> obstruction > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> UNSCOM inspections, have led to strong suspicions. U.S. and > >> British > >> >> >> >> intelligence agencies believe that Iraq still may possess tons > of > >> >> >> >> chemical > >> >> >> >> warfare agents and the necessary materials to produce thousands > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> liters > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> biological agents. UNSCOM and U.S. intelligence differ in their > >> >> >> >> estimates > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> the number of actual missiles that may still be in Iraq. Again > >> >> >> >> information > >> >> >> >> is sketchy. In part, this is because much is classified, but > >> >> >> >> even > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> classified information is reportedly incomplete. A recent > report > >> >> issued > >> >> >> >> by > >> >> >> >> the British government, however, provided some information > >> (Foreign > >> >> and > >> >> >> >> Commonwealth Office -- > >> >> >> >> (http://193.114.50.5/texts/1998/feb/04/iraqppr.txt). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- British intelligence believes that up to ten SCUD missiles > >> >> >> >> capable > >> >> >> >> of carrying CBW warheads remain hidden. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- UNSCOM reports that between 40-70 CBW-capable missile > warheads > >> >> >> >> are > >> >> >> >> unaccounted for. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- Iraq possessed enough growth medium to produce over 16,000 > >> liters > >> >> >> >> more > >> >> >> >> anthrax spores than has been acknowledged. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- 4,000 tons of CW precursor chemicals are unaccounted for; > >> enough > >> >> to > >> >> >> >> produce several hundred tons of CW agents. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- 31,000 CW munitions remain unaccounted for. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- Essential CW production equipment remains unaccounted for. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- It is believed that Iraq may retain undetermined amounts of > >> Ebola > >> >> >> >> virus, bubonic and pneumonic plague bacteria, and the toxin > >> >> >> >> ricin. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> ======================== > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Thursday, 19 December, 2002, 16:35 GMT > >> >> >> >> *Iraq's 'unaccounted for' weapons* > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> By Paul Reynolds > >> >> >> >> BBC News Online world affairs correspondent > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2590265.stm > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix has said Iraq's new > >> declaration > >> >> >> >> contains little information that had not been declared by > Baghdad > >> >> >> >> before > >> >> >> >> 1998 when UN arms experts were last in Iraq. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The US and UK have long had concerns about what is described as > >> >> >> >> unaccounted > >> >> >> >> for chemical, biological and nuclear material. Their > assessments > >> >> >> >> were > >> >> >> >> partly > >> >> >> >> based on a report by the weapons inspections organisation > Unscom, > >> >> >> >> predecessor to Unmovic. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> In early 1999, Unscom gave the Security Council its own > >> >> >> >> assessment > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> what > >> >> >> >> Iraq had destroyed and what remained unaccounted for. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The US and UK want a full explanation of what happened to the > >> >> >> >> following: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> - 360 tonnes of chemical warfare agents, including 1.5 > tonnes > >> of > >> >> VX > >> >> >> >> nerve agent; > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> - 3,000 tonnes of chemical precursors (which are developed > >> >> >> >> into > >> >> >> >> chemical weapons) including 300 tonnes uniquely used for VX. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The 1999 Unscom report said: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "According to Iraq, 1.5 tonnes of VX were discarded > unilaterally > >> by > >> >> >> >> dumping > >> >> >> >> on the ground. Traces of one VX-degradation product and a > >> >> >> >> chemical > >> >> >> >> known > >> >> >> >> as > >> >> >> >> a VX-stabilizer were found in the samples taken from the VX > dump > >> >> sites. > >> >> >> >> A > >> >> >> >> quantified assessment is not possible." > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> *Biological* > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Britain and America want to know about: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Growth media for 20,000 litres of biological warfare agents. > Any > >> >> Iraqi > >> >> >> >> claims that this will have degenerated will not be accepted as > >> >> mustard > >> >> >> >> gas > >> >> >> >> found in shells in 1997 was active; > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Shells for use in biological warfare - 20,000 are missing say > the > >> >> >> >> British, > >> >> >> >> 15,000 say the Americans; > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Unscom said in 1999: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> "The commission has little or no confidence in Iraq's > accounting > >> for > >> >> >> >> proscribed items for which physical evidence is lacking or > >> >> >> >> inconclusive, > >> >> >> >> documentation is sparse or nonexistent, and coherence and > >> >> >> >> consistency > >> >> >> >> is > >> >> >> >> lacking. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> These include, for example: quantities and types of munitions > >> >> available > >> >> >> >> for > >> >> >> >> biological weapons (BW) filling; quantities and types of > >> >> >> >> munitions > >> >> >> >> filled > >> >> >> >> with BW agents; quantities and type of bulk agents produced; > >> >> quantities > >> >> >> >> of > >> >> >> >> bulk agents used in filling; quantities of bulk agents > destroyed; > >> >> >> >> quantities > >> >> >> >> of growth media acquired for the programme; and quantities of > >> growth > >> >> >> >> media > >> >> >> >> used/consumed. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> In addition, the commission has no confidence that all bulk > >> >> >> >> agents > >> >> have > >> >> >> >> been destroyed; that no BW munitions or weapons remain in Iraq; > >> and > >> >> >> >> that a > >> >> >> >> BW capability does not still exist in Iraq." > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> *Chemical warfare munitions* > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Washington and London demand disclosure on: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> 6,000 chemical warfare bombs. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Unscom said: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The commission has accepted the destruction of about 34,000 > >> >> >> >> munitions > >> >> >> >> on > >> >> >> >> the basis of multiple sources, including physical evidence, > >> >> >> >> documents > >> >> >> >> provided by Iraq etc. However, it has not been possible to > >> >> >> >> achieve > >> a > >> >> >> >> numerical accounting of destroyed munitions due to heavy bomb > >> damage > >> >> of > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> CW storage > >> >> >> >> facilities< > >> >> > https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h.. > >> .>, > >> >> >> >> where these munitions had been stored during the Gulf war. The > >> >> >> >> destruction > >> >> >> >> of about 2,000 unfilled munitions remain uncertain, 550 filled > >> >> >> >> munitions > >> >> >> >> remain unaccounted for. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Other key concerns for the US and UK include the following: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> - Why did Iraq try to import 60,000 aluminium tubes? Rapidly > >> >> >> >> spinning > >> >> >> >> rotor tubes in centrifuges are used to separate weapons > grade > >> >> >> >> uranium, > >> >> >> >> though both the British and American reports acknowledge > that > >> the > >> >> >> >> tubes > >> >> >> >> could be used for conventional weapons as well. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Why did it try to import other equipment, including vacuum > >> >> >> >> pumps< > >> >> > https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h.. > >> .>, > >> >> >> >> a winding machine and special chemicals needed in gas > >> >> >> >> centrifuge< > >> >> > https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h.. > >> >> .>cascades? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> ============================================= > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I don't think there is any argument, by anyone who keeps > abreast > >> of > >> >> >> >> current > >> >> >> >> affairs and world events, that all of the Western World > believed > >> at > >> >> the > >> >> >> >> time > >> >> >> >> of the United States' invasion of Iraq, that Saddam Hussein > >> >> possessed > >> >> >> >> biological and chemical weapons, and was attempting to obtain > >> >> >> >> nuclear > >> >> >> >> weaponry. Hell, we, (MNO's from Germany, the United States and > >> >> >> >> Great > >> >> >> >> Britain) sold them to Hussein and his government! Anthrax, VX > >> nerve > >> >> >> >> agent, > >> >> >> >> and a variety of other weapons of mass destruction were never > >> >> accounted > >> >> >> >> for > >> >> >> >> by Saddam Hussein and his Baath Party led Iraqi government, as > >> late > >> >> as > >> >> >> >> 2003. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/wmd_5-29.html > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> As stated, I attached a declassified file from the United > States > >> >> Senate > >> >> >> >> where 500 canisters for missile armament tips of nerve agent > >> >> >> >> were > >> >> >> >> found > >> >> >> >> in > >> >> >> >> 2006. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> No major media outcry over that. Hardly a peep from mainstream > >> >> >> >> media > >> >> >> >> when > >> >> >> >> 550 metric tons of yellow cake was recently shipped to Canada > >> from > >> >> >> >> Iraq, > >> >> >> >> just this year: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/07/07/msm-yawn-550-met. > >> .. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-elliott/weapons-of-mass-destruc. > >> .. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>http://stke.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/2003/203/pe42 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> read more ยป > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> >> > For options & help see > http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> >> > > >> >> > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >> >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >> >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> >> Have a great day, > >> >> Tommy > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> >> > >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >> >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Mark M. Kahle H. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> > > >> > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> Have a great day, > >> Tommy > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> > >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark M. Kahle H. > > > > -- > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > > -- > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > Have a great day, > Tommy > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
