"We The People, Of the United States Of America" is pretty self explanatory.....
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Jonathan Ashley < [email protected]> wrote: > While the word "citizen" appears quite often in the Constitution for the > United States > , it is never clearly defined. > > If a person chose to move here from France in 1791, why would he not have > been part of "We the People"? > > > On 10/29/2010 10:53 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote: > > That is one convoluted, and I might add, WRONG interpretation Michael. > "The People" mean the Citizens of the United States. Not illegals, not, > "The People of France", etc., etc., etc....Numerous case law citations on > this very premise, again, I'll come back to it maybe tonight. > > Keith > > > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:41 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Article III deals with the JUDICIARY. >> >> There you go again with that silliness about 'illegals'. >> Citizens relate (re: US Constitution) SPECIFICALLY as denoted. >> >> Items like -- for example -- Amendment IV (for simplicity) >> >> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, >> papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, >> shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon >> probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly >> describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to >> be seized. >> >> restrict the GOVERNMENT from action against PEOPLE -- regardless of >> whether they are Citizens, Visitors, have the Government's >> unconstitutional >> permission, etc. It plainly LIMITS the Feds from doing as stated. >> >> Naturalization (or naturalisation), of course, is the acquisition of >> citizenship and nationality by somebody who was not a citizen or >> national of that country when he or she was born. >> Naturalization has NOTHING to do with entering/exiting. >> >> There was no claim that Citizens were something else. >> >> Regard$, >> --MJ >> >> I was about to say that I'd hate to live in a country >> where the law could mean whatever its rulers said >> it meant, when it occurred to me that I already do. >> -- Joseph Sobran >> >> >> >> >> At 01:28 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote: >> >> Art. III referenced the Constitution and treaties, but was changed by the >> XI amendment. Citizens do not refer to illegals that roam onto U.S. soil >> and do not become naturalized. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MJ" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 1:14:13 PM >> Subject: Re: Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans >> >> >> This is becoming silly. Have you actually READ the Constitution? >> >> Occurrences of 'Citizen' >> >> In Article III (describing JURISDICTION for the supreme Court): >> >> between a State and Citizens of another State; -- between Citizens >> of different States; -- between Citizens of the same State claiming >> Lands >> under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens >> thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects. >> >> In Article IV (ensuring reciprocity between States): >> >> The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges >> and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. >> >> Amendment XI (more jurisdiction): >> >> The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to >> extend to >> any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the >> United >> States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any >> Foreign State. >> >> Dubiously Ratified Amendment XIV (aiding Lincoln's illusion): >> >> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and >> subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States >> and >> of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law >> >> which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the >> United >> States; >> >> Amendment XV (preventing voting disqualification by group): >> >> The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be >> denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of >> race, color, or previous condition of servitude. >> >> Amendment XIX (preventing voting disqualification by group)" >> >> The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied >> or >> abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. >> >> Amendment XIV (preventing voting disqualification by group): >> >> The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any >> primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors >> for >> President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in >> Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any >> State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. >> >> Amendment XXVI (preventing voting disqualification by group): >> >> The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen >> years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the >> United States or by any State on account of age. >> >> >> The Constitution, of course, CREATED and LIMITS the Government it created. >> >> >> STILL do not know what the Bible has to do with anything. >> >> Regard$, >> --MJ >> >> The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal >> government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State >> governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised >> principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign >> commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be >> connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the >> objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, >> liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, >> improvement, and prosperity of the State. -- James Madison, Federalist >> Papers >> >> >> >> At 12:53 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote: >> Look at Romans 1:26-27. Also the Constitution and the amendments refer >> to citizens. Citizens are all persons born or naturalized in the U.S. and >> subject to the jurisdiction therein. Clearly it does not apply to illegals. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MJ" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:01:43 PM >> Subject: Re: Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans >> >> >> THIS does not answer the request. >> Someone will need to explain this silliness about 'legal' and 'illegal' >> immigrants. The US Constitution provides no power whatsoever for the Feds >> to extend or withhold permission for entry (or exit) into any of the >> Sovereign States. Besides, 'migration' is a natural right. >> Additionally, rights are inherent in Man's being -- not permissions as you >> imply. >> Not certain WHAT the Bible may have to do with anything. >> >> As an aside, do you have any problem/difficulty with the THEFT and SLAVERY >> promoted by both the Ds and Rs? >> >> Regard$, >> --MJ >> >> "Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the >> world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving >> and using it at his own will. This is what is called personal liberty, and >> is given him by the Author of nature, because necessary for his own >> sustenance." --Thomas Jefferson >> >> >> At 11:42 AM 10/29/2010, you wrote: What rights do immigrants have unless >> they are legal? In reference to the Bible have you read the verses on >> homosexuality? >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MJ" <[email protected]> To: >> [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 11:24:30 >> AM Subject: Re: Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans >> >> Can you POINT me to a 'platform' or similar that suggests such? Thanks in >> advance. >> Regard$, --MJ >> "Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. " -- >> Marcus Tullius Cicero >> >> >> At 09:18 AM 10/29/2010, you wrote: >But it seems obvious that the biggest >> reason to vote Democrat is to >take one good look at the crazies in the >> Grand Opressive Tea Party and >what they will do to oppresss LGBT people, >> as well as a whole slew of >demographic minority groups, including >> immigrants, Latinos, >African-Americans and women who have been raped or >> victims of incest. >If you don't vote for the Democrats, you are opening >> the door for >bigoted hateful theocrats like the Fred Phelps Wesboro >> "Church" who >totally ignore Jesus' actual message of love, acceptance >> and inclusion >and fail to know what their Bible really says. >The >> Republican Agenda is anti-American. Their number one priority is >to >> obstruct and make The President of The United States fail. Welcome >to >> the Recorporate Party of Greed. > >> -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For >> options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the >> latest breaking news, and more. >> -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For >> options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * >> Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> * >> It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the >> latest breaking news, and more. >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > Your personal email. Anytime, anywhere. > Ridiculously affordable at $19.95. No contracts. > http://www.getpeek.com/lavabit.html > > > -- > *Your remedy is in the courts - learn civil litigation with > Jurisdictionary® <http://www.jurisdictionary.com/?refercode=CG0004>* > > *I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal > Government* > http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html > > *Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure. > > Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be governed > are weak. > > "The 'art' of politics is diverting attention from what's really happening. > What > separates politicians from other criminal organizations is superior public > relations." > - Marc Stevens > > "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that > cannot be." > - Thomas Jefferson* > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
