We have a perfect bunch of congressmen we can assign to permanent duty as alien greeters and satisfyers.
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > Hey Jonathan! > > I switched threads on ya, but I wanted to come back to what Michael wrote > earlier. > > Uhm...I don't think that is the clause that you are looking for there > Jonathan...<Grin>!! > > Two of the clauses that I was referencing earlier, are these: > > Article One, Section Eight, Clause 3: > > To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, > and with the Indian Tribes; > > and. > > Article One, Section Eight, Clause 3: > "To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the > subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States"; > > Clearly, we all know, (accept for Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews) > that the Congress has the ability to regulate damn near everything under the > Commerce Clause, or at least the Courts have interpreted it as such. There > has been some reversals of this doctrine, with the *Lopez* Case and *Sullivan > v. Louisiana*, but the Congress has wide latitude. > > The Congress has regulated immigration, including the ability to > immigrate into our Nation, since 1796, when it passed the "Uniform Rule of > Naturalization of 1795". > > What we have now, is those socialists and Marxists, and a few who are just > downright ignorant of our laws, (Again, > *See*Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews) especially our Constitution, who > have > usurped power and corrupted our Congress, but I won't dwell on this tonight, > hopefully we have a new start here next week. > > There is also Article 1 Section 8, Clause 1; which states in part: > > "The Congress shall have the duty to.....[P]rovide for the common Defence > and general Welfare of the United States" > > Of course, this Clause shoots Michael's whole theory down, that the > Preamble is nothing but fluff, and, as Michael stated, "There is no assign > of Power contained within this 'mission statement' -- implied, inferred nor > stated." > > Obviously, there is, and this was pointed out to Michael on May 11th of > this year: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/db218d176a3fea96 > > > > With regard to your "invasion" definition....I think that definition is > still accurate. I would submit that there are numbers of illegal immigrants > who have the intent to cause harm, damage and some have the intention of > trying to cause a catastrophe, and/or they intend on trying to force the > United States into ceding a portion of the Southwestern United States back > to Mexico, or form some third world Nation-State. I think this qualifies as > being invaded, and we have not only a right, but a duty to protect our > borders from this invasion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > .... > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Jonathan Ashley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Keith, >> >> You are stretching the definition of "invasion" beyond belief. >> >> 1828 definition: >> >> *INVASION*, n. s as z. [L. invasio, from invado. See Invade.] >> 1. A hostile entrance into the possessions of another; particularly, the >> entrance of a hostile army into a country for the purpose of conquest or >> plunder, or the attack of a military force. The north of England and south >> of Scotland were for centuries subject to invasion, each from the other. The >> invasion of England by William the Norman, was in 1066. 2. An attack on >> the rights of another; infringement or violation. 3. Attack of a disease; >> as the invasion of the plague, in Egypt. >> >> However, in re-reading the Constitution, I did find the following in >> Article I, Section 9: >> >> "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now >> existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the >> Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax >> or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for >> each Person." >> >> So it appears the Supreme Court was correct in 1875. I stand corrected. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Keith In Tampa >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Yes, they do. Especially 3 and 4. The remainder of the clauses deal >> with illegal immigration, which is, "invasion". >> >> As for the rest of your points, I will be back later. >> >> Keith >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:56 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> The US Constitution provides the Executive Branch and the Legislative >>> Branch with a number of inherent powers, to include the enforcement of >>> immigration laws. For starters, let’s begin with the Preamble: >>> *“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect >>> Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the >>> common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of >>> Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this >>> Constitution for the United States of America”. >>> * >>> >>> >>> We the People (of State unknown until ratification) in order to >>> accomplish these six (6) goals establish THIS Constitution. >>> >>> There is no assign of Power contained within this 'mission statement' -- >>> implied, inferred nor stated. >>> >>> They will waste but little time on the attempt to cover the act by the >>> preamble to the Constitution, it being contrary to every acknowledged rule >>> of construction to set up this part of an instrument in opposition to the >>> plain meaning expressed in the body of the instrument. A preamble usually >>> contains the general motives or reason for the particular regulations or >>> measures which follow it, and is always understood to be explained and >>> limited by them. In the present instance, a contrary interpretation would >>> have the inadmissible effect of rendering nugatory or improper every part of >>> the Constitution which succeeds the preamble. -- Jonathan Elliot _Debates on >>> the Adoption of the Federal Constitution_ >>> >>> >>> the Constitution mandates that the Congress (and the President) protect >>> American sovereignty and the American People. Let’s begin with Article One, >>> Section Eight, which deals with the Powers of the Congress, and all of these >>> Sections are applicable : >>> >>> Clause 1: “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, >>> Duties, Imposts <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#IMPOST> and >>> Excises <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#EXCISE>, to pay the >>> Debts and provide for the common Defence and general >>> Welfare<http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#WELFARE>of the United >>> States; but all Duties, >>> Imposts <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#IMPOST> and >>> Excises<http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#EXCISE>shall be uniform >>> throughout the United States; >>> Clause 3: “To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the >>> several States, and with the Indian Tribes”; >>> Clause 4: “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform >>> Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States”; >>> Clause 11: “To declare War, grant Letters of >>> Marque<http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#MARQUE>and >>> Reprisal <http://www.usconstitution.net/glossary.html#REPRISAL>, and >>> make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water”; >>> Clause 15: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws >>> of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions” >>> >>> >>> >>> NONE of these Powers have *anything* to do with immigration. >>> >>> >>> >>> Clause 20; “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the >>> Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the >>> Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the >>> Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia >>> according to the discipline prescribed by Congress”; >>> >>> >>> Which has NOTHING to do with immigration. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Even Article One, Section Ten, Clause Three gives the States the right to >>> defend themselves with the invasion by illegal aliens: >>> >>> >>> No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, >>> keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or >>> Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, >>> unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of >>> delay. >>> >>> NOTHING here about "illegal aliens" (whatever that means) OR immigration. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I am rushed for time right now, but I will pick up on this thread later, >>> and we’ll touch upon the other inherent powers by the Congress, and delve >>> into the Executive Branch’s ability to stop the invasion and detriment to >>> our Nation that illegal aliens pose. >>> >>> >>> In other words LATER you will seek to 'make up' some justification for >>> what simply does not exist. >>> A cursory amount of research will reveal that "immigration" was a >>> USURPATION ... first by the court in the very late 19th Century >>> (paralleling the rise of the Nanny State) and then with seemingly innocuous >>> requirements by the Congress in the 1920s (as the Nanny State begins to >>> become firmly entrenched). >>> >>> The Constitution simply does NOT support this nonsensical Statist >>> tyranny. >>> Legitimate Government is to SECURE Natural Rights -- such as the right to >>> migration -- not to tyrannically quash them. >>> >>> Regard$, >>> --MJ >>> >>> Modern nationalism and collectivism have, by the restriction of >>> migration, perhaps come nearest to the "servile state." …Man can hardly be >>> reduced more to a mere wheel in the clockwork of the national collectivist >>> state that being deprived of his freedom to move.... Feeling that he belongs >>> now to his nation, body and soul, he will be more easily subdued to the >>> obedient state serf which nationalist and collectivist governments >>> demand. -- Wilhelm Röpke >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at >>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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