Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, There I stand by all I said. There are 60 votes (you must include the two Ind. Senators and Joe Biden) for ANY good cause that the Dems want.
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Markie Markie Markie > > So you are saying that Dumbya's illegal undeclared war in Iraq was > imaginary and did not happen? > You are a pathetic denier. > > Your math is also off. 59 votes is not 60 votes, and the Un-American > Republicans are abusing the 60 vote cloture rule on every bill to make > The President fail, their top agenda. > > Wrong again, dearie. > > On 12/9/10, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy, > > > > War has not been declared since WWll, The first responders on 9/11 had > > insurance coverage, and Obama (your boy) is fighting to KEEP DADT in > > the courts. > > > > Just how are ANY of these items a "Republican" problem when the Dems > > have 60 senate votes for any GOOD cause and three simply don't > > vote ??? Do you really think they didn't know the result BEFORE the > > vote ?? > > > > On Dec 9, 7:28 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Grand Obstructionist Republicans Block DADT Repeal, Vote No to helping > >> 9/11 Responders, Vote to Extend Bush Tax Cuts to the Wealthy, and Vote > >> No to Funding the Troops in a Time of War Putting Troops in Danger. > >> This is More Sickening and Disgusting Behavior From the GOP. Vote them > >> ALL out of office in 2012. > >> > >> Senate vote kills repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell' > >> > >> The Senate on Thursday killed repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" > >> ban on openly gay members of the military, delivering a blow to > >> President Obama one week after a Pentagon study urged an end to the > >> Clinton-era ban. > >> > >> Although last-ditch efforts were underway to try another avenue to > >> repeal the ban before Congress adjourns for the year, the procedural > >> vote likely ends for the foreseeable future the possibility that the > >> 17-year-old ban can be repealed legislatively, leaving the matter to > >> the courts. > >> > >> A lawsuit by the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay conservative group, that > >> challenges the ban is before the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals > >> in San Francisco, which is expected to issue a ruling sometime next > >> summer. > >> > >> The 57-40 vote to move ahead on the defense authorization bill, which > >> contained the repeal, fell three votes short of the 60 needed to > >> overcome a Republican filibuster. > >> > >> Obama issued a statement saying, "As commander in chief, I have > >> pledged to repeal this discriminatory law." He urged continued efforts > >> to repeal the law this year. > >> > >> Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., said they > >> would try to move a stand-alone bill, but it faces the same procedural > >> roadblocks that killed the much more popular defense bill. Sen. John > >> McCain, R-Ariz., has been blocking the defense bill since spring > >> because it would repeal the ban on gays, lesbians and bisexuals > >> serving openly in the military. > >> > >> The Human Rights Campaign, a pro-gay lobbying group, demanded that > >> Obama act unilaterally to cease defense of the ban in court, and halt > >> discharges of gay and lesbian troops under an emergency "stop-loss" > >> military order put in place by the George W. Bush administration, > >> which prevents troop discharges in case of military need. > >> > >> The Department of Justice has been defending the ban in court as a > >> matter of U.S. law. But Human Rights Campaign spokesperson Fred Sainz, > >> said decisions about which laws to defend are "a subjective judgment > >> made by every administration. They are not under an obligation to > >> defend every law and have not." > >> > >> Senate majority leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called for a vote on the > >> repeal bill knowing it would fail. He said Republicans kept changing > >> their demands on the parameters of the debate of the defense bill and > >> concluded they would continue blocking the bill. > >> > >> Repeal supporters believed they had enough Republican votes to pass > >> repeal of the gay ban if the broader defense bill had reached a floor > >> debate. > >> > >> Last week, the Pentagon weighed in strongly in favor of repeal, > >> issuing the results of an exhaustive, 10-month study, which included > >> surveys of active-duty troops and focus groups. The study found that > >> lifting the ban would not harm military effectiveness, unit cohesion > >> or other measures of military prowess. > >> > >> Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of > >> the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified to Congress last week urging > >> repeal and warning that if Congress does not act, the courts will. > >> > >> McCain, who once said he would go along with the results of the study, > >> called it flawed and cited continued resistance by combat troops in > >> the Army and Marines, as well as special operations forces, to serving > >> with gay troops. > >> > >> Obama, who many times promised gay groups that repeal would happen on > >> his watch, had personally phoned GOP Senators urging repeal. Collins > >> and Lieberman had been trying to broker an agreement with Reid on how > >> much time and how many amendments would be allowed for debate on the > >> defense bill. > >> > >> Collins rushed to the Senate floor just as Reid finished announcing > >> that he would call up the bill, accusing him of sabotaging repeal. > >> > >> "There was such a clear path for us to be able to get this bill done > >> and I am perplexed and frustrated that this important bill is going to > >> become a victim of politics," Collins said. "Sen. Lieberman and I have > >> been bargaining in good faith with the majority leader." > >> > >> Collins said she thought she had an agreement to allow a debate with > >> 10 GOP amendments and five Democratic amendments. > >> > >> A senior Democratic aide said Reid had given Collins plenty of ground > >> but that she had rejected the offer of 15 amendments. The Senate was > >> running out of time and Collins was offering no clear path around > >> continuing GOP obstruction, the aide said, adding that Reid had > >> offered an open amendment process on the defense bill earlier in the > >> year but Collins refused then to go along. > >> > >> Reid was backed by Senate Armed Services Committee chair Carl Levin, > >> D-Mich., who said the clock had run out. > >> > >> The vote kills for this session of Congress the entire defense bill - > >> the first time that has happened in 48 years. It also contained a pay > >> increase for the military and many other components. > >> > >> Republicans had insisted that their deal with Obama on tax cuts be > >> resolved before proceeding to any other business, including the > >> defense bill. > >> > >> Repeal of the ban had passed the House earlier this year, but > >> Republican leaders who will assume control of the House in January > >> have said they have no intention of bringing up repeal when they take > >> control for the next two years. The next chance Democrats have to > >> control the House is in the 2012 elections. > >> > >> Gay-rights groups erupted in outrage over the vote, but Aubrey Sarvis, > >> executive director of the Service Members Legal Defense Network, held > >> out hope that the effort was not dead. > >> > >> Christopher Neff, deputy executive director of the Palm Center, a > >> pro-gay think tank at UC Santa Barbara, said leaders must consider > >> "every available legislative, executive and judicial option." The U.S. > >> ban on military service by homosexuals puts the nation alone in the > >> West, and in the company of only Bulgaria, Jordan, Poland, Turkey and > >> the United Arab Emirates. > >> > >> Read > >> more: > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/09/MN5V1GOF7... > >> > >> Read > >> more: > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/09/MN5V1GOF7... > >> > >> -- > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> Have a great day, > >> Tommy > > > > -- > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > > -- > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > Have a great day, > Tommy > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
