There you go being negative, cynical, and disagreeable yet again.
On 1/11/11, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > Where have I been negative and where have I been cynical? > > I said her conclusion is wrong and explained why. That's not being > negative or cynical. She misrepresents what DADT is all about. The > concept of DADT is not that a gay can't perform the mission, it only > says we won't ask your sexual orientation and you won't tell us and > we'll all just get along. > > Of course there are small minded yahoos who will demean anyone who > doesn't fit their 'acceptability' model. It's going to take a very > long time to breed them out of the human race. But I think most level > headed folks, even those who have issues with gays, understand being > gay doesn't preclude them from performing heroic deeds. That you don't > understand this is your problem, not ours. Personally, I took nothing > more out of the article when "gay" was added to it because I've known > all along gays are every bit as capable as heterosexuals to do what he > did. > > On Jan 11, 12:15 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> You seem to be a negative cynic who disagrees with most everything. >> >> "It's still far too easy for a small-minded yahoo to champion >> discrimination based on orientation and race, and it's just as easy >> for another small-minded yahoo somewhere else to believe the red >> states are indeed "meccas of racism and bigotry." If any good can come >> out of something as unfathomably horrible as Saturday's mass shooting, >> let it be that it shakes up a few preconceptions. That it shows the >> world that a hero can be gay or straight, can speak English or Spanish >> or both, and that stupid laws can exist in places full of good people. >> And anyone who has any doubt of what kind of person deserves to serve >> next to him in battle, or stand before their community and declare >> their love, or go to school, or walk down the street without being >> asked for paperwork needs to hear that and remember that, again and >> again until it sinks in. Yes, the "gay Hispanic American" saved a life >> on Saturday, and yes, it does matter." >> >> On 1/11/11, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I did read the article, but I think her conclusion is wrong. No one >> > has ever said a gay person could not perform in the military. DADT >> > certainly didn't make that argument. The argument has always been that >> > the presence of a gay man amongst heterosexual men might be >> > uncomfortable and cause problems in an environment where privacy is >> > often non-existent and where good comradely can be the difference >> > between life and death. >> >> > On Jan 11, 11:44 am, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> If you had bothered to read the articles and links I just provided, >> >> you would have seen why it matters very much. >> >> >> To repeat: >> >> >> Gabrielle Giffords Assistant is Gay and it Matters Says Salon.com >> >> >>http://www.shewired.com/Article.cfm?ID=26427 >> >> >> On 1/11/11, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > The second thread was accidental, but it is proving to be important. >> >> >> > There are many other articles which do in fact point to the fact that >> >> > Hernandez the Hero is gay. >> >> >> > Keith, your statements are pathetic and homophobic. laced with >> >> > animus, >> >> > denial, and vile Conservative hatred. >> >> >> > Here is empirical proof and documentation: >> >> >> > Go to these links and read these Headlines and articles. There are >> >> > plenty >> >> > more. >> >> >> > Gay Intern Credited with Keeping Rep. Giffords Alive >> >> >> >http://blogout.justout.com/?p=25937 >> >> >> > Gay Intern Helped Save Congresswoman Gifford's Life >> >> >> >http://www.gayapolis.com/news/artdisplay.php?artid=6224 >> >> >> > US Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, a strong supporter of gay >> >> > rights >> >> >> >http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2011/01/us-rep-gabriel... >> >> >> > Gabrielle Giffords Assistant is Gay and it Matters Says Salon.com >> >> >> >http://www.shewired.com/Article.cfm?ID=26427 >> >> >> > Two gay heroes thwart assassinations -- what a difference 35 years >> >> > make >> >> >> >http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2011/01/two-gay-heroes-thwart-as... >> >> >> > Westboro Baptists Thank God For Giffords Shooting, Will Picket >> >> > Funerals >> >> >> >http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/westboro_baptists_t... >> >> >> > LGBT Groups Rally Around Congresswoman Giffords >> >> >> >http://www.edenfantasys.com/sexis/sex-and-society/lgbt-groups-rally-g... >> >> >> > On 1/11/11, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> What's with starting a second, identical thread on the same article? >> >> >> >> And the fact remains, you cited an article that never once mentions >> >> >> his being gay, yet you made that a big point of the thread title and >> >> >> opening comment. Why did you do that? It has no bearing on what >> >> >> happened. Is this some sort of gay pride issue for you... that >> >> >> someone >> >> >> who is gay is capable of doing something brave and intelligent? If >> >> >> that's the case, you've set the gay movement back several years. >> >> >> >> On Jan 10, 8:25 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> Daniel Hernandez, gay 20 year old intern, likely saved Rep. >> >> >>> Gabrielle >> >> >>> Giffords' life with first aid >> >> >> >>> Daniel Hernandez had been U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' intern for >> >> >>> five days when she was shot Saturday outside Tucson. >> >> >> >>> The junior at the University of Arizona was helping check people in >> >> >>> at >> >> >>> the "Congress on Your Corner" event when he heard gunfire. He was >> >> >>> about 30 feet from the congresswoman. When the shots began, he ran >> >> >>> toward them. >> >> >> >>> "I don't even know if the gunfire had stopped," he said Saturday >> >> >>> night >> >> >>> as he kept a vigil at the University Medical Center cafeteria, >> >> >>> gathered near a TV watching tributes and getting updates. >> >> >> >>> When the shots began that morning, he saw many people lying on the >> >> >>> ground, including a young girl. Some were bleeding. Hernandez said >> >> >>> he >> >> >>> moved from person to person checking pulses. >> >> >> >>> "First the neck, then the wrist," he said. One man was already >> >> >>> dead. >> >> >>> Then he saw Giffords. She had fallen and was lying contorted on the >> >> >>> sidewalk. She was bleeding. >> >> >> >>> Using his hand, Hernandez applied pressure to the entry wound on >> >> >>> her >> >> >>> forehead. He pulled her into his lap, holding her upright against >> >> >>> him >> >> >>> so she wouldn't choke on her own blood. Giffords was conscious, but >> >> >>> quiet. >> >> >> >>> Ron Barber, Giffords' district director, was next to her. Hernandez >> >> >>> told a bystander how to apply pressure to one of Barber's wounds. >> >> >> >>> Barber told Hernandez, "Make sure you stay with Gabby. Make sure >> >> >>> you >> >> >>> help Gabby." >> >> >> >>> Hernandez used his hand to apply pressure until someone from inside >> >> >>> Safeway brought him clean smocks from the meat department. He used >> >> >>> them to apply pressure on the entrance wound, unaware there was an >> >> >>> exit wound. He never let go of her. >> >> >> >>> He stayed with Giffords until paramedics arrived. They strapped her >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> a board and loaded her into an ambulance. Hernandez climbed in with >> >> >>> her. On the ride to the hospital, he held her hand. She squeezed >> >> >>> his >> >> >>> back. >> >> >> >>> When they arrived at the hospital, Hernandez was soaked in blood. >> >> >>> His >> >> >>> family brought him clean clothes because the FBI took his for >> >> >>> evidence. >> >> >> >>> He waited at the hospital while she went into surgery. He needed to >> >> >>> tell police what had happened. He overheard people walking by >> >> >>> talking >> >> >>> about how Giffords had died. He also heard this on NPR. Later, he >> >> >>> learned she had lived. >> >> >> >>> "I was ecstatic," he said. "She was one of the people I've looked >> >> >>> up >> >> >>> to. Knowing she was alive and still fighting was good news. She's >> >> >>> definitely a fighter, whether for her own life, or standing up for >> >> >>> people in southern Arizona." >> >> >> >>> The fact that Hernandez was nearby and able to react quickly >> >> >>> probably >> >> >>> saved Giffords' life, said state Rep. Matt Heinz, D-Tucson, and a >> >> >>> hospital physician. He talked to Hernandez at the hospital after >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> shooting. >> >> >> >>> Eight hours after the shooting, Hernandez stood with Giffords' >> >> >>> friends >> >> >>> and staff and told them what had happened. The tall, strong >> >> >>> 20-year-old said, "Of course you're afraid, you just kind of have >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> do what you can." >> >> >> >>> They hugged and thanked him. Later, he sat with his mom and sisters >> >> >>> and told them about his friends and the staffers who had died that >> >> >>> day. >> >> >> >>> "You just have to be calm and collected," he said. "You do no good >> >> >>> to >> >> >>> anyone if you have a breakdown. . . . It was probably not the best >> >> >>> idea to run toward the gunshots, but people needed help." >> >> >> >>> Read >> >> >>> more:http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/09/20110109daniel-hern... >> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >> >>> Have a great day, >> >> >>> Tommy >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >> >> For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> >> >> * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> >> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >> >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> > -- >> >> > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >> > Have a great day, >> >> > Tommy >> >> >> -- >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >> Have a great day, >> >> Tommy >> >> > -- >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> -- >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> Have a great day, >> Tommy > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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