Well, then I stand corrected then Tom! Maybe there is hope for you, in that you see that Dupcik is a liar, and filled with hate.
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Wrong again Keithie Keith. > More lies from you. > I know who Dupcik is. I get my news from many sources, including some > Right wing places, as I have told you before. Your memory is quite > poor. > > On 1/14/11, Keith In Köln <[email protected]> wrote: > > Once again, TommyTomTomForNews doesn't even know who you are talking > about > > Dick!! He has never even heard of Dupcik, because the far left hate > sites > > he gets his news from are not covering this bozo!! > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Sheriffs in Arizona are misguided Reich wingers who persecute > >> immigrants and gays. They hate. They lie. > >> > >> On 1/14/11, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Even the sheriff has admitted that the hate speech you keep calling it > >> > had nothing to do with what happened. The public doesn't believe it > >> > either. Wise up, little boy, your games ain't working. > >> > > >> > On 01/14/2011 08:29 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> >> Read this again, and again. > >> >> > >> >> "We know, > >> >> too, that Giffords's Tea Party–backed opponent, Jesse Kelly, invited > >> >> supporters to "shoot a fully automatic M16" to "get on target for > >> >> victory"; that Sarah Palin placed Giffords's district in gunsight > >> >> cross hairs in campaign ads; that Nevada Senate candidate Sharron > >> >> Angle cheerfully proposed "Second Amendment remedies" for political > >> >> disagreements. We know that threats to members of Congress increased > >> >> dramatically last year. > >> >> > >> >> Republicans, gun activists and Tea Party adherents are trying to put > >> >> distance between themselves and the Tucson rampage by pointing to > >> >> Loughner's evident mental illness. But Loughner's mental state does > >> >> not absolve the lock-and-loaders of responsibility. To the contrary: > >> >> it is well established in psychiatric literature that the delusions > >> >> experienced by schizophrenics are shaped by the language, images, > >> >> resentments and fears that permeate their wider culture in any > >> >> particular country or time. Those politicians and pundits inviting or > >> >> implying "Second Amendment remedies" for liberal "conspiracies" on > >> >> immigration, healthcare, President Obama's citizenship, gun > regulation > >> >> and on and on are selling a daily dose of eliminationist fantasy to > >> >> the angriest and most estranged minds—including those unable to draw > a > >> >> distinction between gunsight as metaphor and real-life target > practice > >> >> on politicians." > >> >> > >> >> "To raise these issues does not exploit or politicize the horror in > >> >> Tucson. Rather, it recognizes that the political currency of the > right > >> >> has long made a dangerous world more dangerous: shredding social > >> >> safety nets, flooding our country and our neighbors with weapons, > >> >> pitting civil rights and progressive social policy against reckless, > >> >> I've-got-mine individualism backed up by insistent and violent > >> >> paramilitary visions. Jared Lee Loughner appears to be a conspiracy > of > >> >> one. But the gun in his hand, the language and images he absorbed > >> >> daily, even the fact that no institution was prepared to catch him as > >> >> he went over the edge—those are a product of political design and > >> >> intention nurtured over a generation. There is an opportunity now to > >> >> show a different America. That doesn't mean only rejecting gunsight > >> >> ads or turning away from threatening campaign rhetoric; it means > >> >> leaders from President Obama on down clearly articulating a social > >> >> compact, which is the only real route to safety for politicians and > >> >> citizens alike." > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 1/14/11, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> More lies, hate, and smear from Lil Keithie Keith. > >> >>> > >> >>> I am not angry, because I realize what a bunch of misinformed > >> >>> extremist fools you and the other Grand Opressive Old Tea Party > >> >>> members are. I am also not a Marxist or a Socialist, and you > continue > >> >>> to lie and spread false slander about that too, Lil Keithie Big > Liar! > >> >>> > >> >>> On 1/14/11, Keith In Köln<[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>> It's nothing but hate Dick, as you well know. The far left > >> extremists, > >> >>>> dream of a "Progressive" socialistic America has failed, and folks > >> like > >> >>>> TommyTomTom are bitter, angry, and can do nothing but spew vile > >> hatred. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> The good thing, is that TommyTomTom's and his angry hateful crew of > >> far > >> >>>> left > >> >>>> extremists little ploy has failed. Less than ten percent of > >> >>>> Americans > >> >>>> believe that Loughner was influenced by conservative political > >> thought, > >> >>>> or > >> >>>> that gun laws are too lax. More importantly, the far left > >> extremists' > >> >>>> hate > >> >>>> filled rants are clearly known to most Americans. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> TommyTomTomForNews, as well as the Marxists and socialists who spew > >> this > >> >>>> vile hate have failed. They know it, Americans know it, and we > >> >>>> rightfully > >> >>>> should mock them for their hateful, untruthful and despicable > rants! > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:21 AM, dick thompson > >> >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Oh my, gotta believe every word of this - who could disbelieve The > >> >>>>> Nation > >> >>>>> (offshoot of the Daily Worker and the CPUSA). / LOL > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On 01/14/2011 06:11 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> Tragedy in Arizona > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> -by The Editors > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> It took only seconds for a self-appointed assassin armed with a > >> >>>>>> semiautomatic pistol to shoot Representative Gabrielle Giffords > >> >>>>>> through the head; to kill US District Court Judge John Roll and > >> >>>>>> five > >> >>>>>> others; and to wound fourteen more people. It took barely longer > >> than > >> >>>>>> that for the news of the Tucson shootings to shock a political > >> culture > >> >>>>>> numbed by war, economic crisis and two years of lock-and-load > >> >>>>>> rhetoric. On the other hand, even in the Internet age, criminal > >> >>>>>> investigation and psychiatric examination take time. It's too > soon > >> to > >> >>>>>> know why this lone gunman went on his rampage or whether anyone > >> could > >> >>>>>> have stopped him. All the early signs point to a deeply disturbed > >> >>>>>> young man who stalked Giffords and planned her assassination over > >> >>>>>> months while friends, classmates and teachers expressed growing > >> alarm > >> >>>>>> at his outbursts and Internet postings. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Related Content > >> >>>>>> Jared Loughner's Glock: Weapon of Mass Destruction > >> >>>>>> Varieties of Hatred > >> >>>>>> Giffords Shooting Reveals Flaws in US Mental Health Services > >> >>>>>> Arizona Faces 'Lethal Combination' of Guns and Hate Speech > >> >>>>>> An Attack on Government, an Attack on the Public, an Attack on > >> >>>>>> Democracy > >> >>>>>> About the Author > >> >>>>>> The EditorsAlso by The Author[ Click for More ] > >> >>>>>> Lame Duck Congress Victories (Barack Obama, Congress, Society) > >> >>>>>> The repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," the passage of a landmark > >> food > >> >>>>>> safety bill and the narrow defeat of the DREAM Act all prove that > >> >>>>>> organizing and educating across issues really works. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> The Editors > >> >>>>>> 2 comments Obama's Afghan Mission Creep (Barack Obama, War and > >> >>>>>> Peace, > >> >>>>>> Politics) > >> >>>>>> With the US set to remain in Afghanistan until 2014, the war has > >> taken > >> >>>>>> on a life of its own, disconnected from any strategic goal. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> The Editors > >> >>>>>> 6 comments Related Topics > >> >>>>>> Jared Lee Loughner Social Issues Technology Tucson War For all > that > >> we > >> >>>>>> don't know about Jared Lee Loughner, there is a lot we do know > >> >>>>>> about > >> >>>>>> the circumstances of this shooting. We know Loughner purchased > his > >> gun > >> >>>>>> legally at a sporting goods store. We know that Giffords had > >> >>>>>> already > >> >>>>>> received well-publicized threats and endured a smashed door for > her > >> >>>>>> vote to support President Obama's healthcare bill and that Judge > >> Roll > >> >>>>>> had drawn threats for his ruling in a key immigration case. We > >> >>>>>> know, > >> >>>>>> too, that Giffords's Tea Party–backed opponent, Jesse Kelly, > >> >>>>>> invited > >> >>>>>> supporters to "shoot a fully automatic M16" to "get on target for > >> >>>>>> victory"; that Sarah Palin placed Giffords's district in gunsight > >> >>>>>> cross hairs in campaign ads; that Nevada Senate candidate Sharron > >> >>>>>> Angle cheerfully proposed "Second Amendment remedies" for > political > >> >>>>>> disagreements. We know that threats to members of Congress > >> >>>>>> increased > >> >>>>>> dramatically last year. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Republicans, gun activists and Tea Party adherents are trying to > >> >>>>>> put > >> >>>>>> distance between themselves and the Tucson rampage by pointing to > >> >>>>>> Loughner's evident mental illness. But Loughner's mental state > does > >> >>>>>> not absolve the lock-and-loaders of responsibility. To the > >> >>>>>> contrary: > >> >>>>>> it is well established in psychiatric literature that the > delusions > >> >>>>>> experienced by schizophrenics are shaped by the language, images, > >> >>>>>> resentments and fears that permeate their wider culture in any > >> >>>>>> particular country or time. Those politicians and pundits > inviting > >> or > >> >>>>>> implying "Second Amendment remedies" for liberal "conspiracies" > on > >> >>>>>> immigration, healthcare, President Obama's citizenship, gun > >> regulation > >> >>>>>> and on and on are selling a daily dose of eliminationist fantasy > to > >> >>>>>> the angriest and most estranged minds—including those unable to > >> >>>>>> draw > >> a > >> >>>>>> distinction between gunsight as metaphor and real-life target > >> practice > >> >>>>>> on politicians. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Conservatives don't usually show such interest in the mentally > ill. > >> >>>>>>> From the early 1980s, when President Reagan scrapped funding > for > >> >>>>>> community mental health clinics, through 2008, when most > >> >>>>>> Republicans > >> >>>>>> tried to kill parity for mental health insurance coverage in the > >> >>>>>> healthcare bill, conservatives have shaped a system that denies > >> >>>>>> essential services and discourages intervention when people like > >> >>>>>> Loughner fall over the edge. Psychiatrist Frank Ochberg, former > >> >>>>>> director of the Michigan Mental Health Department, puts it this > >> >>>>>> way: > >> >>>>>> "School officials want to protect their communities, so they > expel > >> >>>>>> students without follow-up. We grant these delusional young men > >> >>>>>> privacy, freedom and civil rights. We do not adequately fund > their > >> >>>>>> care, nor do we compel treatment unless they go way over the > line, > >> and > >> >>>>>> then we use forensic centers, jails and prisons." This crisis is > >> >>>>>> particularly acute in Arizona, which has a theoretically strong > law > >> >>>>>> allowing for intervention on behalf of citizens at risk but where > >> >>>>>> escalating budget deficits have reduced intervention to > >> >>>>>> irrelevance. > >> >>>>>> As Arizona State University's Morrison Institute documented in a > >> >>>>>> report released just a few weeks ago, since 2008 the state's > >> >>>>>> funding > >> >>>>>> for mental health services has been cut by 47 percent, with many > >> >>>>>> programs eliminated altogether, resulting in "thousands of > >> >>>>>> Arizonans > >> >>>>>> and their families facing either no publicly funded behavioral > >> health > >> >>>>>> treatment or severely restricted access to such services." > >> >>>>>> (Contrast > >> >>>>>> that with Giffords, who despite her reputation as a Blue Dog > fiscal > >> >>>>>> conservative not only voted for mental health parity in insurance > >> >>>>>> coverage but fought for expanded mental healthcare for veterans, > >> >>>>>> and > >> >>>>>> in her last term in the State Senate was named legislator of the > >> year > >> >>>>>> by the Arizona Mental Health Association.) > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> In Tucson, Loughner's apparent mental illness combined fatally > with > >> >>>>>> one of the country's most irresponsibly lax gun laws, driven by a > >> >>>>>> firearms lobby so powerful that last year Governor Jan Brewer > >> >>>>>> signed > >> a > >> >>>>>> measure ending the longstanding requirement for a permit to carry > >> >>>>>> concealed weapons. Here too, Loughner's rampage is only one > >> expression > >> >>>>>> of a far broader crisis. As Washington Post investigative > reporters > >> >>>>>> Sari Horwitz and James Grimaldi recently documented, Arizona gun > >> shops > >> >>>>>> are prime sources for the thousands of weapons arming Mexico's > drug > >> >>>>>> cartels. The same ease with which Loughner obtained his weapon > and > >> >>>>>> extended magazine clip is feeding massive violence across the > >> >>>>>> border > >> >>>>>> just miles from Tucson. Last weekend, Arizona got a taste of what > >> its > >> >>>>>> guns have long delivered to Mexico, including the assassinations > of > >> >>>>>> judges and elected officials. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> To raise these issues does not exploit or politicize the horror > in > >> >>>>>> Tucson. Rather, it recognizes that the political currency of the > >> right > >> >>>>>> has long made a dangerous world more dangerous: shredding social > >> >>>>>> safety nets, flooding our country and our neighbors with weapons, > >> >>>>>> pitting civil rights and progressive social policy against > >> >>>>>> reckless, > >> >>>>>> I've-got-mine individualism backed up by insistent and violent > >> >>>>>> paramilitary visions. Jared Lee Loughner appears to be a > conspiracy > >> of > >> >>>>>> one. But the gun in his hand, the language and images he absorbed > >> >>>>>> daily, even the fact that no institution was prepared to catch > him > >> as > >> >>>>>> he went over the edge—those are a product of political design and > >> >>>>>> intention nurtured over a generation. There is an opportunity now > >> >>>>>> to > >> >>>>>> show a different America. That doesn't mean only rejecting > gunsight > >> >>>>>> ads or turning away from threatening campaign rhetoric; it means > >> >>>>>> leaders from President Obama on down clearly articulating a > social > >> >>>>>> compact, which is the only real route to safety for politicians > and > >> >>>>>> citizens alike. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> More: > >> >>>>>> http://www.thenation.com/article/157730/tragedy-arizona > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>> -- > >> >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> >>>>> For options& help see > http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> * Visit our other community at > >> >>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ <http://www.politicalforum.com/> < > http://www.politicalforum.com/>< > >> http://www.politicalforum.com/> * It's > >> >>>>> active and moderated. 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Register and vote in our polls. > >> >>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> >>> Have a great day, > >> >>> Tommy > >> >>> > >> >> > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> > > >> > * Visit our other community at > >> > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ <http://www.politicalforum.com/>< > http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >> Have a great day, > >> Tommy > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >> > >> * Visit our other community at > >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ <http://www.politicalforum.com/>< > http://www.politicalforum.com/> > >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> > > > > -- > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > * Visit our other community at > > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > > * It's active and moderated. 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