Hey Frank! Right you are. Tom and his ilk are less than nine percent in this Nation. That is to say, that believes the gun laws are too lax, or that Loughner was somehow influenced by political discussion or campaigns. As you can see from above, Tommy didn't even know who Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupcik was, until Dick and I pointed out this idiot to him!
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 3:52 AM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > Dick, Keith, you really are wasting your time. Tommy has yet to ever > post a single original thought. He's pulling other people's content > from far left websites and posting here to get a rouse. If there was a > significant percentage of the population that even remotely considered > this tripe as factual I would be concerned, but it's only a few far > left dolts who haven't yet given up the ruse. As they say, there are > none so blind as those who will not see. > > On Jan 14, 9:15 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > The sheriff in this case came out on your side and was a total left > > winger. So does hate and lie? He started out agreeing with you but > > came to his senses and realized that it was all a lie. > > > > On 01/14/2011 08:49 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > > > > Sheriffs in Arizona are misguided Reich wingers who persecute > > > immigrants and gays. They hate. They lie. > > > > > On 1/14/11, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Even the sheriff has admitted that the hate speech you keep calling > it > > >> had nothing to do with what happened. The public doesn't believe it > > >> either. Wise up, little boy, your games ain't working. > > > > >> On 01/14/2011 08:29 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > >>> Read this again, and again. > > > > >>> "We know, > > >>> too, that Giffords's Tea Party backed opponent, Jesse Kelly, invited > > >>> supporters to "shoot a fully automatic M16" to "get on target for > > >>> victory"; that Sarah Palin placed Giffords's district in gunsight > > >>> cross hairs in campaign ads; that Nevada Senate candidate Sharron > > >>> Angle cheerfully proposed "Second Amendment remedies" for political > > >>> disagreements. We know that threats to members of Congress increased > > >>> dramatically last year. > > > > >>> Republicans, gun activists and Tea Party adherents are trying to put > > >>> distance between themselves and the Tucson rampage by pointing to > > >>> Loughner's evident mental illness. But Loughner's mental state does > > >>> not absolve the lock-and-loaders of responsibility. To the contrary: > > >>> it is well established in psychiatric literature that the delusions > > >>> experienced by schizophrenics are shaped by the language, images, > > >>> resentments and fears that permeate their wider culture in any > > >>> particular country or time. Those politicians and pundits inviting or > > >>> implying "Second Amendment remedies" for liberal "conspiracies" on > > >>> immigration, healthcare, President Obama's citizenship, gun > regulation > > >>> and on and on are selling a daily dose of eliminationist fantasy to > > >>> the angriest and most estranged minds including those unable to draw > a > > >>> distinction between gunsight as metaphor and real-life target > practice > > >>> on politicians." > > > > >>> "To raise these issues does not exploit or politicize the horror in > > >>> Tucson. Rather, it recognizes that the political currency of the > right > > >>> has long made a dangerous world more dangerous: shredding social > > >>> safety nets, flooding our country and our neighbors with weapons, > > >>> pitting civil rights and progressive social policy against reckless, > > >>> I've-got-mine individualism backed up by insistent and violent > > >>> paramilitary visions. Jared Lee Loughner appears to be a conspiracy > of > > >>> one. But the gun in his hand, the language and images he absorbed > > >>> daily, even the fact that no institution was prepared to catch him as > > >>> he went over the edge those are a product of political design and > > >>> intention nurtured over a generation. There is an opportunity now to > > >>> show a different America. That doesn't mean only rejecting gunsight > > >>> ads or turning away from threatening campaign rhetoric; it means > > >>> leaders from President Obama on down clearly articulating a social > > >>> compact, which is the only real route to safety for politicians and > > >>> citizens alike." > > > > >>> On 1/14/11, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> More lies, hate, and smear from Lil Keithie Keith. > > > > >>>> I am not angry, because I realize what a bunch of misinformed > > >>>> extremist fools you and the other Grand Opressive Old Tea Party > > >>>> members are. I am also not a Marxist or a Socialist, and you > continue > > >>>> to lie and spread false slander about that too, Lil Keithie Big > Liar! > > > > >>>> On 1/14/11, Keith In K ln<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> It's nothing but hate Dick, as you well know. The far left > extremists, > > >>>>> dream of a "Progressive" socialistic America has failed, and folks > like > > >>>>> TommyTomTom are bitter, angry, and can do nothing but spew vile > hatred. > > > > >>>>> The good thing, is that TommyTomTom's and his angry hateful crew of > far > > >>>>> left > > >>>>> extremists little ploy has failed. Less than ten percent of > Americans > > >>>>> believe that Loughner was influenced by conservative political > thought, > > >>>>> or > > >>>>> that gun laws are too lax. More importantly, the far left > extremists' > > >>>>> hate > > >>>>> filled rants are clearly known to most Americans. > > > > >>>>> TommyTomTomForNews, as well as the Marxists and socialists who spew > this > > >>>>> vile hate have failed. They know it, Americans know it, and we > > >>>>> rightfully > > >>>>> should mock them for their hateful, untruthful and despicable > rants! > > > > >>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:21 AM, dick thompson > > >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > >>>>>> Oh my, gotta believe every word of this - who could disbelieve The > > >>>>>> Nation > > >>>>>> (offshoot of the Daily Worker and the CPUSA). / LOL > > > > >>>>>> On 01/14/2011 06:11 PM, Tommy News wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> Tragedy in Arizona > > > > >>>>>>> -by The Editors > > > > >>>>>>> It took only seconds for a self-appointed assassin armed with a > > >>>>>>> semiautomatic pistol to shoot Representative Gabrielle Giffords > > >>>>>>> through the head; to kill US District Court Judge John Roll and > five > > >>>>>>> others; and to wound fourteen more people. It took barely longer > than > > >>>>>>> that for the news of the Tucson shootings to shock a political > culture > > >>>>>>> numbed by war, economic crisis and two years of lock-and-load > > >>>>>>> rhetoric. On the other hand, even in the Internet age, criminal > > >>>>>>> investigation and psychiatric examination take time. It's too > soon to > > >>>>>>> know why this lone gunman went on his rampage or whether anyone > could > > >>>>>>> have stopped him. All the early signs point to a deeply disturbed > > >>>>>>> young man who stalked Giffords and planned her assassination over > > >>>>>>> months while friends, classmates and teachers expressed growing > alarm > > >>>>>>> at his outbursts and Internet postings. > > > > >>>>>>> Related Content > > >>>>>>> Jared Loughner's Glock: Weapon of Mass Destruction > > >>>>>>> Varieties of Hatred > > >>>>>>> Giffords Shooting Reveals Flaws in US Mental Health Services > > >>>>>>> Arizona Faces 'Lethal Combination' of Guns and Hate Speech > > >>>>>>> An Attack on Government, an Attack on the Public, an Attack on > > >>>>>>> Democracy > > >>>>>>> About the Author > > >>>>>>> The EditorsAlso by The Author[ Click for More ] > > >>>>>>> Lame Duck Congress Victories (Barack Obama, Congress, Society) > > >>>>>>> The repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," the passage of a landmark > food > > >>>>>>> safety bill and the narrow defeat of the DREAM Act all prove that > > >>>>>>> organizing and educating across issues really works. > > > > >>>>>>> The Editors > > >>>>>>> 2 comments Obama's Afghan Mission Creep (Barack Obama, War and > > >>>>>>> Peace, > > >>>>>>> Politics) > > >>>>>>> With the US set to remain in Afghanistan until 2014, the war has > taken > > >>>>>>> on a life of its own, disconnected from any strategic goal. > > > > >>>>>>> The Editors > > >>>>>>> 6 comments Related Topics > > >>>>>>> Jared Lee Loughner Social Issues Technology Tucson War For all > that we > > >>>>>>> don't know about Jared Lee Loughner, there is a lot we do know > about > > >>>>>>> the circumstances of this shooting. We know Loughner purchased > his gun > > >>>>>>> legally at a sporting goods store. We know that Giffords had > already > > >>>>>>> received well-publicized threats and endured a smashed door for > her > > >>>>>>> vote to support President Obama's healthcare bill and that Judge > Roll > > >>>>>>> had drawn threats for his ruling in a key immigration case. We > know, > > >>>>>>> too, that Giffords's Tea Party backed opponent, Jesse Kelly, > invited > > >>>>>>> supporters to "shoot a fully automatic M16" to "get on target for > > >>>>>>> victory"; that Sarah Palin placed Giffords's district in gunsight > > >>>>>>> cross hairs in campaign ads; that Nevada Senate candidate Sharron > > >>>>>>> Angle cheerfully proposed "Second Amendment remedies" for > political > > >>>>>>> disagreements. We know that threats to members of Congress > increased > > >>>>>>> dramatically last year. > > > > >>>>>>> Republicans, gun activists and Tea Party adherents are trying to > put > > >>>>>>> distance between themselves and the Tucson rampage by pointing to > > >>>>>>> Loughner's evident mental illness. But Loughner's mental state > does > > >>>>>>> not absolve the lock-and-loaders of responsibility. To the > contrary: > > >>>>>>> it is well established in psychiatric literature that the > delusions > > >>>>>>> experienced by schizophrenics are shaped by the language, images, > > >>>>>>> resentments and fears that permeate their wider culture in any > > >>>>>>> particular country or time. Those politicians and pundits > inviting or > > >>>>>>> implying "Second Amendment remedies" for liberal "conspiracies" > on > > >>>>>>> immigration, healthcare, President Obama's citizenship, gun > regulation > > >>>>>>> and on and on are selling a daily dose of eliminationist fantasy > to > > >>>>>>> the angriest and most estranged minds including those unable to > draw a > > >>>>>>> distinction between gunsight as metaphor and real-life target > practice > > >>>>>>> on politicians. > > > > >>>>>>> Conservatives don't usually show such interest in the mentally > ill. > > >>>>>>>> From the early 1980s, when President Reagan scrapped funding > for > > >>>>>>> community mental health clinics, through 2008, when most > Republicans > > >>>>>>> tried to kill parity for mental health insurance coverage in the > > >>>>>>> healthcare bill, conservatives have shaped a system that denies > > >>>>>>> essential services and discourages intervention when people like > > >>>>>>> Loughner fall over the edge. Psychiatrist Frank Ochberg, former > > >>>>>>> director of the Michigan Mental Health Department, puts it this > way: > > >>>>>>> "School officials want to protect their communities, so they > expel > > >>>>>>> students without follow-up. We grant these delusional young men > > >>>>>>> privacy, freedom and civil rights. We do not adequately fund > their > > >>>>>>> care, nor do we compel treatment unless they go way over the > line, and > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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