I actually have to side with MJ here.... that power does NOT exist in the constitution... just in what is basically an illegal US CODE and it is a usurpation of the States rights that tries to paint EVERY community with the same brush... this was NEVER the intent.
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:49 AM, GregfromBoston <[email protected]>wrote: > I just don't know what to say, other than this: > > http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sup_01_8_10_12_20_II_30_IV.html > > On May 3, 10:42 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > Greg, The fed is not given the right to control immigration, just to see > > that migration "between the states" is unfettered, but the States > are..... > > they simply may not control movements at "Interstate" crossings... there > is > > no limit placed at ports of foreign entry for the states. > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:37 AM, GregfromBoston <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > Want better schools ?? move east > > > ------------------------- > > > > > East of me is the ocean. > > > > > Point taken, and I have made the same point RE Dept of Education is > > > illegal BECAUSE of the very amendment you cite. > > > > > But on one hand, MJ claims, the US govt has no power over immigration, > > > because its not explicit in the constitution (Naturalization, > > > schmation), and that the FDA is illegal, yet then goes on to purport > > > that no, explicit constitutional authority is not requisite. > > > > > Allllllllllllllllll-righty then! > > > > > On May 3, 10:27 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Greg, > > > > > > ALL things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as the > > > > responsibility of the Federal Government was to be left to the States > to > > > > each deal with separately. > > > > > > What most people do not, or refuse, to see is that the USA was always > > > meant > > > > to be a union of 50 separate and sovereign states. Each very distinct > and > > > > offering to its citizens that which suited its specific citizens > most. > > > There > > > > was never an intension of "One law for all". > > > > > > Citizens (and only citizens of the several states) were to be allowed > to > > > > travel freely between the states, There was to be no import/export > tax > > > > between the states only at ports handling foreign trade ...(the > biggest > > > > failure of the Articles of Confederation, and the main reason for the > new > > > > Constitution, and Lincolns excuse for Ft. Sumter...tax collection). > Only > > > the > > > > President is elected by all and only he was meant to be responsible > at > > > > large. It is the responsibility of Congressmen to represent their > > > > constituency only (pork was just fine as deals had to be made that > would > > > get > > > > enough votes...there was very little Federal money to go around), > > > Senators > > > > were originally designed to represent the needs of their state only > under > > > > the guiding hand of each governor. The Feds were responsible for only > a > > > VERY > > > > LIMITED military (basically the "officer corps") with the "standing > army" > > > > made up ENTIRELY of the forces supplied by the states (thus the need > to > > > > "Declare War" only by Congress assembled as their constituents were > to be > > > > "called up") > > > > > > Laws about food safety, drugs, taxes, social welfare, medical, > schools, > > > etc. > > > > are the absolute responsibility of each separate state ..... > separately. > > > > This is what would make different states attractive to different > people > > > and > > > > cause migration from one to another of both people and industry. > States > > > were > > > > allowed to sue one another over (literally) bad things flowing > > > > downstream...this was the interstate control factor... the federal > > > courts. > > > > > > That these things are now dealt with by the Feds is indeed a > usurpation > > > of > > > > and by the Feds. > > > > > > Want better schools ?? move east, The Feds were never meant to make > > > things > > > > equal... the states were never meant to be equal, all laws were never > > > meant > > > > to be equal.... > > > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:34 AM, GregfromBoston < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Dockside Greeters & Crew (Boston Harbor) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Date: 2011-04-28, 6:55PM EDT > > > > > Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when > replying to > > > > > ads?] > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > GREAT SUMMER JOBS!! 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You can help us deliver an outstanding > > > > > recreational experience in and around Boston Harbor and the Boston > > > > > Harbor Islands. More than a dozen full time and part time jobs > still > > > > > available right now through Labor Day. > > > > > > > Location: Boston Harbor > > > > > > > On May 2, 8:49 am, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You're being silly. > > > > > > Where in the constitution does it say government has the power > > > > > toregulatefood and drugs? > > > > > > Nowhere ... yet ANOTHER usurpation.The very reason for the US > Code > > > (laws) > > > > > is to pick up where the > > > > > > constitution leaves off, AND to limit where it doesn't > > > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > > > > > Jeffrey Tucker, Ditch the PlannersNo one so much as suggested > such a > > > > > thing as the US Code in the first hundred years after the US > > > Constitution > > > > > was enacted. It would have been only a little longer than the > > > Constitution > > > > > itself. The first attempt to create such a compilation of laws > occurred > > > in > > > > > 1878 but it languished because no one felt the need to update it. > Then > > > in > > > > > 1926, in the midst of Prohibition when the feds became deeply > involved > > > in > > > > > regulating the details of life, Congress made the thing come into > > > existence. > > > > > It is printed every six years.An institution was born, though most > > > people > > > > > know nothing of it. The next printing will come out in 2012, but > the > > > 2006 > > > > > with annotations was 356 thousand-plus-page volumes that cover > every > > > aspect > > > > > of life as we know it. The next one will add many new sections and > > > probably > > > > > more than 100,000 pages.This is America's central plan -- or > > > ownGosplan, so > > > > > to speak -- and it is as elaborate and detailed as any set of laws > that > > > have > > > > > ever governed any society in the history of the world. Much of this > > > central > > > > > plan is absorbed into our daily lives in ways that we don't notice > or > > > aren't > > > > > aware of. This is supplemented by an additional layer of state and > > > local > > > > > regulations that have been pushed on these governments by higher > > > government > > > > > or grew up from within to adapt the central-planning ethos to the > > > particular > > > > > circumstances of place and time. The effect is the same: life > amidst an > > > > > impossibly tangled legal thicket that grows more elaborate and > complex > > > by > > > > > the day.It defies human comprehension but it is not without human > > > effect. > > > > > Every aspect of our lives is subjected to it from birth to death. > Every > > > > > product we buy, every service we use, every decision we make is > > > filtered > > > > > through this morass. You can try this on your own by going > > > > > togpoaccess.govand typing in anything from chicken stock to > funerals, > > > and > > > > > observe the state at work, managing the whole of life as we know it > in > > > the > > > > > most minute detail one can imagine. Think of anything and search > it, > > > and > > > > > then see if you think we enjoy "free enterprise."Regard$, > > > > > > --MJ“It is hard for the plain people to think about a thing, but > easy > > > for > > > > > them to feel. Error, to hold their attention, must be visualized as > a > > > > > villain, and the villain must proceed swiftly to his inevitable > > > retribution. > > > > > They can understand that process; it is simple, usual, satisfying; > it > > > > > squares with their primitive conception of justice as a form of > > > revenge…. > > > > > [The average reader] is not at all responsive to purely > intellectual > > > > > argument, even when its theme is his own ultimate benefit…. But he > is > > > very > > > > > responsive to emotional suggestion, particularly when it is crudely > and > > > > > violently made, and it is to this weakness that the newspapers must > > > ever > > > > > address their endeavors. In brief, they must try to arouse his > horror, > > > or > > > > > indignation, or pity, or simply his lust for slaughter. Once they > have > > > done > > > > > that, they have him safely by the nose. He will follow blindly > until > > > his > > > > > emotion wears out. He will be ready to believe anything, however > > > absurd, so > > > > > long as he is in his state of psychic tumescence.” -- H. L. > MenckenOn > > > Apr > > > > > 30, 3:50 pm, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > That Government has AGAIN usurped Power nowhere provided it > > > > > notwithstanding, your claim makes no sense. > > > > > > > What about all those seeking to exercise their right to migrate > who > > > > > have ZERO interest in Naturalization? Oh well. > > > > > > > Here is the Constitution: > > > > >http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.txtNowhereisCongress > > > empowered > > > > > to make any laws/rules or otherwise concerning Immigration. > > > > > > > It is a necessity for the Nanny State to infringe rather than > > > secure > > > > > this right which is why we see this usurpation occurring at the > outset > > > of > > > > > the (unconstitutional) Nanny State. > > > > > > > Regard$, > > > > > > > --MJ"Bryan Caplan has a damn good argument against the welfare > > > state: > > > > > Its existence will always be raised as a reason why free > immigration > > > cannot > > > > > be permitted. Thus the theory of human rights is set against > itself. > > > The > > > > > winner is power." -- Sheldon RichmanAt 12:26 PM 4/30/2011, you > wrote:Oh > > > for > > > > > christ's sake MJ, controlling how people can become citizens > > > > > > > once they get here certainly includes whether or not then can > get > > > > > > > here, and what we can do when they do. > > > > > > > Here is the US Code, as constitutionally enacted by Congress. > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- *Mark M. Kahle H.* * * * * -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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