PlainOl,
I do agree that our government should not be in the "marriage" business.
That all contracts between a man and a woman; or a man and a man; or a
woman and a woman, should be "civil unions". That marriage should be only
an ecclesiastical function, and performed only in Churches.
Yes, I do see a distinction between "civil rights" and "Inherent Rights
given to us by our Creator". A more apt way of expressing these terms, or
making the distinciton, would be, "Civil Rights" versus "Civil
Liberties". The First Amendment guarantees our inherent ("God-Given")
right allowing an individual to be free to speak, think, assemble,
organize, worship, or petition without government (or even private)
interference or restraints.
Voting, on the other hand, would be a civil liberty which by the
Constitution, by common law, or legislation, allows the individual "the
privilege" of voting.
In other words, a Civil Right is a Natural or God given Right. A Civil
Liberty is granted by society or government.
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]
> wrote:
> civil rights, as well as their inherent, God given rights
> ---
> do you think that civil and god given rights are separate?
> and that the government should uphold them both?
> "God given" is generally accepted as a reference to us being born with
> these rights .. not granted by a god.
>
> A comprehensive study by Harvard University professor Robert Putnam
> found that religious people are somewhat less tolerant of free speech
> and dissent than were non-religious people.
> Exit polls suggest that white Americans without religion vote
> Democratic at roughly the same rates that white Americans with
> religion vote Republican. According to exit polls in the 2008
> presidential election, 71% of non-religious whites voted for
> Democratic candidate Barack Obama while 74% of white Evangelical
> Christians voted for Republican candidate John McCain. This can be
> compared with the 43%-55% share of white votes overall.
> On January 20, 2009, Barack Obama became the first United States
> President to acknowledge "non-believers" in his inaugural address,
> though he professes to be a xian.
>
> I do not believe that the move in this
> Nation to re-define marriage is an attempt
> ---
> already underway and soon to be generally accepted
>
> by ANYONE to protect or defend
> ANYONE's civil rights or privileges. Just the opposite, I am
> convinced
> that the move is to allow Gays and Lesbians additional privileges
> ---
> I agree.
>
> the solution is a secular government that won't use one's religion,
> sex, ethnicity, race, etc for an advantage.
> IMO, any reference to these things should be removed from all
> applications and forms and excluded from our laws.
>
> On Apr 19, 5:42 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Hey PlainOl,
> >
> > It doesn't bother me that ANYONE will make a stand, and defend ANYONE's
> > civil rights, as well as their inherent, God given rights.
> >
> > No need to re-hash this issue, but I do not believe that the move in this
> > Nation to re-define marriage is an attempt by ANYONE to protect or defend
> > ANYONE's civil rights or privileges. Just the opposite, I am convinced
> > that the move is to allow Gays and Lesbians additional privileges that
> you
> > and I, as well as other heterosexual men and women currently do not enjoy
> > or have offered. It is a part of the secularist movement in this Nation,
> > and whether one is religious or non-religious should have no bearing. It
> > is wrong, and I stand against it.
> >
> > As for being an advocate of ANYONE's civil rights, there is no person
> > more dedicated than myself to ensure that our federal government, and the
> > State of Florida do no trample upon our rights, no matter, race, gender,
> or
> > sexual persuasion.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:32 PM, plainolamerican
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > shame on the LGBT alliances that
> > > are in part responsible for this tragedy!
> > > ---
> > > The National Day of Silence is a day of action in which students
> > > across the country vow to take a form of silence to call attention
> > > to the silencing effect of anti-LGBT bullying and harassment in
> > > schools.
> >
> > > why does it bother you than others are sticking up for the rights of
> > > gays?
> >
> > > Let's have a "I Blow My Nose At
> > > You LGBT Alliance" Day!
> > > ---
> > > as you know ... I don't support giving ANY minority group special
> > > rights ... but I will stand up for equal rights
> >
> > > On Apr 19, 2:49 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > As I wrote previously in anothe thread, shame on the LGBT alliances
> that
> > > > are in part responsible for this tragedy! Let's have a "I Blow My
> Nose
> > > At
> > > > You LGBT Alliance" Day!
> >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > ACTION ALERT: GLSEN DAY of SILENCE, anti-LGBT bullying awareness
> day,
> > > > > Tomorrow 4-20
> >
> > > > > Pass this on to everyone in your address book!
> >
> > > > > About the Day of Silence
> >
> > > > > The National Day of Silence is a day of action in which students
> > > > > across the country vow to take a form of silence to call attention
> to
> > > > > the silencing effect of anti-LGBT bullying and harassment in
> schools.
> >
> > > > > History
> >
> > > > > Founded in 1996, the Day of Silence has become the largest single
> > > > > student-led action towards creating safer schools for all,
> regardless
> > > > > of sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. From
> the
> > > > > first-ever Day of Silence at the University of Virginia in 1996, to
> > > > > the organizing efforts in over 8,000 middle schools, high schools,
> > > > > colleges and universities across the country in 2008, its textured
> > > > > history reflects its diversity in both numbers and reach.
> >
> > > > > Organizing for Day of Silence
> >
> > > > > Organizing a Day of Silence (DOS) activity or event can be a
> positive
> > > > > tool for change-both personally and community-wide. By taking a
> vow of
> > > > > silence, you're making a powerful statement about the important
> issue
> > > > > of anti-LGBT bullying,and when you organize others to join you that
> > > > > message becomes stronger. Discover ways of organizing your event
> here.
> >
> > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/PDFs/DOS_organize6steps.pdf
> >
> > > > > Your Rights
> >
> > > > > While you DO have a right to participate in the Day of Silence
> between
> > > > > classes and before and after school, you may NOT have the right to
> > > > > stay silent during instructional time if a teacher requests for
> you to
> > > > > speak. According to Lambda Legal, "Under the Constitution, public
> > > > > schools must respect students' right to free speech. The right to
> > > > > speak includes the right not to speak, as well as the right to wear
> > > > > buttons or T-shirts expressing support for a cause." However, this
> > > > > right to free speech doesn't extend to classroom time. "If a
> teacher
> > > > > tells a student to answer a question during class, the student
> > > > > generally doesn't have a constitutional right to refuse to
> answer." We
> > > > > remind participants that students who talk with their teachers
> ahead
> > > > > of time are more likely to be able to remain silent during class.
> Find
> > > > > more Lamda Legal advice here.
> >
> > > > >http://www.lambdalegal.org/
> >
> > > > > Legal Help: Report It!
> >
> > > > > If you think your rights are not being respected, or want to report
> > > > > your experience of resistant administration, click here to report
> it.
> > > > > GLSEN and Lambda Legal will review your situation.
> >
> > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/legalhelp/
> >
> > > > > The Truth about the Day of Silence
> >
> > > > > As the Day of Silence continues to grow, some people have confused
> the
> > > > > mission and goals of the Action. Clear up any misinformation by
> > > > > reading The Truth about the Day of Silence.
> >
> > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/truth/index.html
> >
> > > > > More:
> > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/resources/
> >
> > > > > Pass this on to everyone in your address book!
> >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > Tommy
> >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > > > Have a great day,
> > > > > Tommy
> >
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