In other words, a Civil Right is a Natural or God given Right. --- imo - we should keep the government out of any decision concerning a god
On Apr 20, 10:17 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > PlainOl, > > I do agree that our government should not be in the "marriage" business. > That all contracts between a man and a woman; or a man and a man; or a > woman and a woman, should be "civil unions". That marriage should be only > an ecclesiastical function, and performed only in Churches. > > Yes, I do see a distinction between "civil rights" and "Inherent Rights > given to us by our Creator". A more apt way of expressing these terms, or > making the distinciton, would be, "Civil Rights" versus "Civil > Liberties". The First Amendment guarantees our inherent ("God-Given") > right allowing an individual to be free to speak, think, assemble, > organize, worship, or petition without government (or even private) > interference or restraints. > > Voting, on the other hand, would be a civil liberty which by the > Constitution, by common law, or legislation, allows the individual "the > privilege" of voting. > > In other words, a Civil Right is a Natural or God given Right. A Civil > Liberty is granted by society or government. > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > civil rights, as well as their inherent, God given rights > > --- > > do you think that civil and god given rights are separate? > > and that the government should uphold them both? > > "God given" is generally accepted as a reference to us being born with > > these rights .. not granted by a god. > > > A comprehensive study by Harvard University professor Robert Putnam > > found that religious people are somewhat less tolerant of free speech > > and dissent than were non-religious people. > > Exit polls suggest that white Americans without religion vote > > Democratic at roughly the same rates that white Americans with > > religion vote Republican. According to exit polls in the 2008 > > presidential election, 71% of non-religious whites voted for > > Democratic candidate Barack Obama while 74% of white Evangelical > > Christians voted for Republican candidate John McCain. This can be > > compared with the 43%-55% share of white votes overall. > > On January 20, 2009, Barack Obama became the first United States > > President to acknowledge "non-believers" in his inaugural address, > > though he professes to be a xian. > > > I do not believe that the move in this > > Nation to re-define marriage is an attempt > > --- > > already underway and soon to be generally accepted > > > by ANYONE to protect or defend > > ANYONE's civil rights or privileges. Just the opposite, I am > > convinced > > that the move is to allow Gays and Lesbians additional privileges > > --- > > I agree. > > > the solution is a secular government that won't use one's religion, > > sex, ethnicity, race, etc for an advantage. > > IMO, any reference to these things should be removed from all > > applications and forms and excluded from our laws. > > > On Apr 19, 5:42 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey PlainOl, > > > > It doesn't bother me that ANYONE will make a stand, and defend ANYONE's > > > civil rights, as well as their inherent, God given rights. > > > > No need to re-hash this issue, but I do not believe that the move in this > > > Nation to re-define marriage is an attempt by ANYONE to protect or defend > > > ANYONE's civil rights or privileges. Just the opposite, I am convinced > > > that the move is to allow Gays and Lesbians additional privileges that > > you > > > and I, as well as other heterosexual men and women currently do not enjoy > > > or have offered. It is a part of the secularist movement in this Nation, > > > and whether one is religious or non-religious should have no bearing. It > > > is wrong, and I stand against it. > > > > As for being an advocate of ANYONE's civil rights, there is no person > > > more dedicated than myself to ensure that our federal government, and the > > > State of Florida do no trample upon our rights, no matter, race, gender, > > or > > > sexual persuasion. > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:32 PM, plainolamerican > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > shame on the LGBT alliances that > > > > are in part responsible for this tragedy! > > > > --- > > > > The National Day of Silence is a day of action in which students > > > > across the country vow to take a form of silence to call attention > > > > to the silencing effect of anti-LGBT bullying and harassment in > > > > schools. > > > > > why does it bother you than others are sticking up for the rights of > > > > gays? > > > > > Let's have a "I Blow My Nose At > > > > You LGBT Alliance" Day! > > > > --- > > > > as you know ... I don't support giving ANY minority group special > > > > rights ... but I will stand up for equal rights > > > > > On Apr 19, 2:49 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As I wrote previously in anothe thread, shame on the LGBT alliances > > that > > > > > are in part responsible for this tragedy! Let's have a "I Blow My > > Nose > > > > At > > > > > You LGBT Alliance" Day! > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > ACTION ALERT: GLSEN DAY of SILENCE, anti-LGBT bullying awareness > > day, > > > > > > Tomorrow 4-20 > > > > > > > Pass this on to everyone in your address book! > > > > > > > About the Day of Silence > > > > > > > The National Day of Silence is a day of action in which students > > > > > > across the country vow to take a form of silence to call attention > > to > > > > > > the silencing effect of anti-LGBT bullying and harassment in > > schools. > > > > > > > History > > > > > > > Founded in 1996, the Day of Silence has become the largest single > > > > > > student-led action towards creating safer schools for all, > > regardless > > > > > > of sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. From > > the > > > > > > first-ever Day of Silence at the University of Virginia in 1996, to > > > > > > the organizing efforts in over 8,000 middle schools, high schools, > > > > > > colleges and universities across the country in 2008, its textured > > > > > > history reflects its diversity in both numbers and reach. > > > > > > > Organizing for Day of Silence > > > > > > > Organizing a Day of Silence (DOS) activity or event can be a > > positive > > > > > > tool for change-both personally and community-wide. By taking a > > vow of > > > > > > silence, you're making a powerful statement about the important > > issue > > > > > > of anti-LGBT bullying,and when you organize others to join you that > > > > > > message becomes stronger. Discover ways of organizing your event > > here. > > > > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/PDFs/DOS_organize6steps.pdf > > > > > > > Your Rights > > > > > > > While you DO have a right to participate in the Day of Silence > > between > > > > > > classes and before and after school, you may NOT have the right to > > > > > > stay silent during instructional time if a teacher requests for > > you to > > > > > > speak. According to Lambda Legal, "Under the Constitution, public > > > > > > schools must respect students' right to free speech. The right to > > > > > > speak includes the right not to speak, as well as the right to wear > > > > > > buttons or T-shirts expressing support for a cause." However, this > > > > > > right to free speech doesn't extend to classroom time. "If a > > teacher > > > > > > tells a student to answer a question during class, the student > > > > > > generally doesn't have a constitutional right to refuse to > > answer." We > > > > > > remind participants that students who talk with their teachers > > ahead > > > > > > of time are more likely to be able to remain silent during class. > > Find > > > > > > more Lamda Legal advice here. > > > > > > >http://www.lambdalegal.org/ > > > > > > > Legal Help: Report It! > > > > > > > If you think your rights are not being respected, or want to report > > > > > > your experience of resistant administration, click here to report > > it. > > > > > > GLSEN and Lambda Legal will review your situation. > > > > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/legalhelp/ > > > > > > > The Truth about the Day of Silence > > > > > > > As the Day of Silence continues to grow, some people have confused > > the > > > > > > mission and goals of the Action. Clear up any misinformation by > > > > > > reading The Truth about the Day of Silence. > > > > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/truth/index.html > > > > > > > More: > > > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/resources/ > > > > > > > Pass this on to everyone in your address book! > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > > > > > > Have a great day, > > > > > > Tommy > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > > > > > > Have a great day, > > > > > > Tommy > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > > > > > For options & help seehttp:// > > groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > > > > > * It's active and moderated. 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