Hey PlainOl! (I do acknowledge that I have interchanged the term(s) "Civil Rights" and "Civil LIberties" and "God Given" rights.......It's easy to do, even though I acknowledge the distinction!)
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > PlainOl, > > I do agree that our government should not be in the "marriage" business. > That all contracts between a man and a woman; or a man and a man; or a > woman and a woman, should be "civil unions". That marriage should be only > an ecclesiastical function, and performed only in Churches. > > Yes, I do see a distinction between "civil rights" and "Inherent Rights > given to us by our Creator". A more apt way of expressing these terms, or > making the distinciton, would be, "Civil Rights" versus "Civil > Liberties". The First Amendment guarantees our inherent ("God-Given") > right allowing an individual to be free to speak, think, assemble, > organize, worship, or petition without government (or even private) > interference or restraints. > > Voting, on the other hand, would be a civil liberty which by the > Constitution, by common law, or legislation, allows the individual "the > privilege" of voting. > > In other words, a Civil Right is a Natural or God given Right. A Civil > Liberty is granted by society or government. > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, plainolamerican < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> civil rights, as well as their inherent, God given rights >> --- >> do you think that civil and god given rights are separate? >> and that the government should uphold them both? >> "God given" is generally accepted as a reference to us being born with >> these rights .. not granted by a god. >> >> A comprehensive study by Harvard University professor Robert Putnam >> found that religious people are somewhat less tolerant of free speech >> and dissent than were non-religious people. >> Exit polls suggest that white Americans without religion vote >> Democratic at roughly the same rates that white Americans with >> religion vote Republican. According to exit polls in the 2008 >> presidential election, 71% of non-religious whites voted for >> Democratic candidate Barack Obama while 74% of white Evangelical >> Christians voted for Republican candidate John McCain. This can be >> compared with the 43%-55% share of white votes overall. >> On January 20, 2009, Barack Obama became the first United States >> President to acknowledge "non-believers" in his inaugural address, >> though he professes to be a xian. >> >> I do not believe that the move in this >> Nation to re-define marriage is an attempt >> --- >> already underway and soon to be generally accepted >> >> by ANYONE to protect or defend >> ANYONE's civil rights or privileges. Just the opposite, I am >> convinced >> that the move is to allow Gays and Lesbians additional privileges >> --- >> I agree. >> >> the solution is a secular government that won't use one's religion, >> sex, ethnicity, race, etc for an advantage. >> IMO, any reference to these things should be removed from all >> applications and forms and excluded from our laws. >> >> On Apr 19, 5:42 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Hey PlainOl, >> > >> > It doesn't bother me that ANYONE will make a stand, and defend ANYONE's >> > civil rights, as well as their inherent, God given rights. >> > >> > No need to re-hash this issue, but I do not believe that the move in >> this >> > Nation to re-define marriage is an attempt by ANYONE to protect or >> defend >> > ANYONE's civil rights or privileges. Just the opposite, I am convinced >> > that the move is to allow Gays and Lesbians additional privileges that >> you >> > and I, as well as other heterosexual men and women currently do not >> enjoy >> > or have offered. It is a part of the secularist movement in this >> Nation, >> > and whether one is religious or non-religious should have no bearing. >> It >> > is wrong, and I stand against it. >> > >> > As for being an advocate of ANYONE's civil rights, there is no person >> > more dedicated than myself to ensure that our federal government, and >> the >> > State of Florida do no trample upon our rights, no matter, race, >> gender, or >> > sexual persuasion. >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:32 PM, plainolamerican >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > shame on the LGBT alliances that >> > > are in part responsible for this tragedy! >> > > --- >> > > The National Day of Silence is a day of action in which students >> > > across the country vow to take a form of silence to call attention >> > > to the silencing effect of anti-LGBT bullying and harassment in >> > > schools. >> > >> > > why does it bother you than others are sticking up for the rights of >> > > gays? >> > >> > > Let's have a "I Blow My Nose At >> > > You LGBT Alliance" Day! >> > > --- >> > > as you know ... I don't support giving ANY minority group special >> > > rights ... but I will stand up for equal rights >> > >> > > On Apr 19, 2:49 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > As I wrote previously in anothe thread, shame on the LGBT >> alliances that >> > > > are in part responsible for this tragedy! Let's have a "I Blow My >> Nose >> > > At >> > > > You LGBT Alliance" Day! >> > >> > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > ACTION ALERT: GLSEN DAY of SILENCE, anti-LGBT bullying awareness >> day, >> > > > > Tomorrow 4-20 >> > >> > > > > Pass this on to everyone in your address book! >> > >> > > > > About the Day of Silence >> > >> > > > > The National Day of Silence is a day of action in which students >> > > > > across the country vow to take a form of silence to call >> attention to >> > > > > the silencing effect of anti-LGBT bullying and harassment in >> schools. >> > >> > > > > History >> > >> > > > > Founded in 1996, the Day of Silence has become the largest single >> > > > > student-led action towards creating safer schools for all, >> regardless >> > > > > of sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression. From >> the >> > > > > first-ever Day of Silence at the University of Virginia in 1996, >> to >> > > > > the organizing efforts in over 8,000 middle schools, high schools, >> > > > > colleges and universities across the country in 2008, its textured >> > > > > history reflects its diversity in both numbers and reach. >> > >> > > > > Organizing for Day of Silence >> > >> > > > > Organizing a Day of Silence (DOS) activity or event can be a >> positive >> > > > > tool for change-both personally and community-wide. By taking a >> vow of >> > > > > silence, you're making a powerful statement about the important >> issue >> > > > > of anti-LGBT bullying,and when you organize others to join you >> that >> > > > > message becomes stronger. Discover ways of organizing your event >> here. >> > >> > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/PDFs/DOS_organize6steps.pdf >> > >> > > > > Your Rights >> > >> > > > > While you DO have a right to participate in the Day of Silence >> between >> > > > > classes and before and after school, you may NOT have the right to >> > > > > stay silent during instructional time if a teacher requests for >> you to >> > > > > speak. According to Lambda Legal, "Under the Constitution, public >> > > > > schools must respect students' right to free speech. The right to >> > > > > speak includes the right not to speak, as well as the right to >> wear >> > > > > buttons or T-shirts expressing support for a cause." However, this >> > > > > right to free speech doesn't extend to classroom time. "If a >> teacher >> > > > > tells a student to answer a question during class, the student >> > > > > generally doesn't have a constitutional right to refuse to >> answer." We >> > > > > remind participants that students who talk with their teachers >> ahead >> > > > > of time are more likely to be able to remain silent during class. >> Find >> > > > > more Lamda Legal advice here. >> > >> > > > >http://www.lambdalegal.org/ >> > >> > > > > Legal Help: Report It! >> > >> > > > > If you think your rights are not being respected, or want to >> report >> > > > > your experience of resistant administration, click here to report >> it. >> > > > > GLSEN and Lambda Legal will review your situation. >> > >> > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/legalhelp/ >> > >> > > > > The Truth about the Day of Silence >> > >> > > > > As the Day of Silence continues to grow, some people have >> confused the >> > > > > mission and goals of the Action. Clear up any misinformation by >> > > > > reading The Truth about the Day of Silence. >> > >> > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/truth/index.html >> > >> > > > > More: >> > > > >http://www.dayofsilence.org/resources/ >> > >> > > > > Pass this on to everyone in your address book! >> > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> > > > > Have a great day, >> > > > > Tommy >> > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> > > > > Have a great day, >> > > > > Tommy >> > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> > > > > For options & help seehttp:// >> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> > >> > > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> > > > > * It's active and moderated. 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