How is voting for a Candidate who is not (presumably) Fascist (or certainly lesser so than Obama and the Echo) ... a vote 'against' defeating socialism? More of that Orwellian Newspeak? Fearmongering?
Regard$,
--MJ
"A lot of the libertarian ideas that Ron Paul is talking about…should not be alien to any Republican." -- Jim DeMint
At 10:13 AM 5/6/2012, you wrote:
Hello Bruce!--
I am quite familiar with the Libertarian Party! While living in Charlotte North Carolina when I was so unceremoniously "dumped" from the Republican Party back in 1991, I joined the Libertarian Party, (and know probably quite a few of the folks that you still know!) I learned the true definition of, "Cluster Fuck".
Having said that, I still hold dear most libertarian principals and tenets. (Despite what Michael thinks.....) Most conservatives hold Constitutional, libertarian principals as the gospel. I also know that we need each and every vote to defeat the socialists and communists this year, and a vote for Gary Johnson by conservative libertarians hurts the cause.
Keith
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Bruce Majors <[email protected] > wrote:
- I wouldn't count on that
- But if you are lucky Johnson will run a pro gay marriage anti drug war campaign that pulls Obama leaning kids and independents from Lord Zero
- Our platform rarely changes since it is about immutable truths about individual liberty
- On Sunday, May 6, 2012, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] > wrote:
- > I thought this was worth noting, and in general, pretty damn good! Congrats to our Libertarian Brothers, who will hopefully get on board and support the Republican Candidate when it counts come November!
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- > Libertarian Convention Rejects 7 of 9 Platform Plank Rewrites
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- > May 4th, 2012 ·
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- > http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/05/libertarian-convention-rejects-7-of-9-platform-plank-rewrites/
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- > Delegates at the Libertarian National Convention today rejected 7 out of 9 Platform Committee recommendations to rewrite various platform planks.
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- > The only rewrite that was approved as recommended was for 2.8. Education:
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- > Education , like any other service, is best provided by the free market, achieving greater quality, accountability and efficiency with more diversity of choice. Schools should be managed locally to achieve greater accountability and parental involvement. Recognizing that the education of children is inextricably linked to moral values a parental responsibility, we would return authority to parents to determine the education of their children, without interference from government. In particular, Parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds expended for their children’s education.
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- > Delegates also adopted a modified version of the recommendation for 3.5. Rights and Discrimination:
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- > Libertarians embrace the concept that all people are born with certain inherent rights. We reject the idea that a natural right can ever impose an obligation upon others to fulfill that “right.” We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant. Government should not neither deny nor abridge any individual’s human rights based on sex, wealth, race, color ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise their children according to their own standards and beliefs.
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- > Delegates approved a recommendation to append a sentence to 3.6. Representative Government: “We advocate initiative, referendum, recall and repeal when used as popular checks on government.” The only other changes were two one-word tweaks, changing “electoral” to “election” and “restitution of” to “restitution to”.
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- > Delegates debated and rejected these PlatCom recommendations:
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- > Modify 3.5 to indicate that parental rights over children are not absolute.
- > Rewrite 1.0 to connect rights to the ability to make choices, and to replace force-initiation language with a statement that government’s proper role is to protect rights.
- > Rewrite 2.7 to oppose government employee unions and defined-benefit public employee pensions.
- > Rewrite 2.5 to oppose bailouts while dropping language about banking, currency, and legal tender.
- > Rewrite 1.2 to reference self-ownership and replace “drug” and “victimless crime” references with broad language about consuming “media and substances” and accepting risks to one’s own “health, finances, safety, or life”.
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- > With time running out for the platform debate, the rules were suspended to vote up or down on 3 of the last 4 recommendations:
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- > Rephrase 3.4 with language about “the American dream” and “the general welfare”.
- > Rewrite 2.4 to call for the “eventual elimination” of income taxes.
- > Replace 1.6 language opposing all gun-control laws with the statement that private property owners can set gun possession rules.
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- > Delegates rejected all 3 recommendations. With only 3 minutes left to consider the final recommendations on the abortion plank, the convention adjourned for the day.
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- > The resulting 2012 Platform can be seen here (with 2012 changes highlighted).
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- > The Platform debate had opened with a report on the plank retention voting. No plank received enough tokens to be eligible for a plank retention vote. The planks receiving the most tokens were:
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- > 74 – 1.4. Abortion
- > 19 – 3.4. Free Trade and Migration
- > 18 – 2.2. Environment
- > 15 – 2.5. Money and Financial Markets
- > 11 – 2.6. Monopolies and Corporations
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- > No other plank got more than 5 tokens.
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