We disagree, at least on this particular issue(s)......
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > You can call America's variant of socialism whatever you like. The REALITY > is that BOTH Obama and the Echo are shoveling the same socialism. > > Regard$, > --MJ > > The superficial distinctions of Fascism, Bolshevism, Hitlerism, are the > concern of journalists and publicists; the serious student sees in them > only one root-idea of a complete conversion of social power into State > power ... In Russia and Germany, for example, we have lately seen the State > moving with great alacrity against infringement of its monopoly by private > persons, while at the same time exercising monopoly with inconscionable > ruthlessness. -- Albert Jay Nock > > > > At 01:31 PM 5/6/2012, you wrote: > > I still don't agree with your assessment of what constitutes Fascism...... > > > > > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 1:00 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > How is voting for a Candidate who is not (presumably) Fascist (or > certainly lesser so than Obama and the Echo) ... a vote 'against' defeating > socialism? More of that Orwellian Newspeak? Fearmongering? > > Regard$, > --MJ > > "A lot of the libertarian ideas that Ron Paul is talking about…should not > be alien to any Republican." -- Jim DeMint > > > > At 10:13 AM 5/6/2012, you wrote: > > Hello Bruce! > > I am quite familiar with the Libertarian Party! While living in Charlotte > North Carolina when I was so unceremoniously "dumped" from the Republican > Party back in 1991, I joined the Libertarian Party, (and know probably > quite a few of the folks that you still know!) I learned the true > definition of, "Cluster Fuck". > > Having said that, I still hold dear most libertarian principals and > tenets. (Despite what Michael thinks.....) Most conservatives hold > Constitutional, libertarian principals as the gospel. I also know that we > need each and every vote to defeat the socialists and communists this year, > and a vote for Gary Johnson by conservative libertarians hurts the cause. > > Keith > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Bruce Majors <[email protected] > > wrote: I wouldn't count on that > But if you are lucky Johnson will run a pro gay marriage anti drug war > campaign that pulls Obama leaning kids and independents from Lord Zero > Our platform rarely changes since it is about immutable truths about > individual liberty > > On Sunday, May 6, 2012, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] > wrote: > > I thought this was worth noting, and in general, pretty damn good! > Congrats to our Libertarian Brothers, who will hopefully get on board and > support the Republican Candidate when it counts come November! > > > > > > Libertarian Convention Rejects 7 of 9 Platform Plank Rewrites > > May > 4th, 2012 · > > > http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2012/05/libertarian-convention-rejects-7-of-9-platform-plank-rewrites/ > > > > > > Delegates at the Libertarian National Convention today rejected 7 > out of 9 Platform Committee recommendations to rewrite various platform > planks. > > The only rewrite that was approved as recommended was for > 2.8. Education: > > Education , like any other service, is best provided > by the free market, achieving greater quality, accountability and > efficiency with more diversity of choice. Schools should be managed locally > to achieve greater accountability and parental involvement. Recognizing > that the education of children is inextricably linked to moral values a > parental responsibility, we would return authority to parents to determine > the education of their children, without interference from government. In > particular, Parents should have control of and responsibility for all funds > expended for their children’s education. > > Delegates also adopted a > modified version of the recommendation for 3.5. Rights and Discrimination: > > > Libertarians embrace the concept that all people are born with certain > inherent rights. We reject the idea that a natural right can ever impose an > obligation upon others to fulfill that “right.” We condemn bigotry as > irrational and repugnant. Government should not neither deny nor abridge > any individual’s human rights based on sex, wealth, race, color ethnicity, > creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or > sexual orientation. Parents, or other guardians, have the right to raise > their children according to their own standards and beliefs. > > > Delegates approved a recommendation to append a sentence to 3.6. > Representative Government: “We advocate initiative, referendum, recall and > repeal when used as popular checks on government.” The only other changes > were two one-word tweaks, changing “electoral” to “election” and > “restitution of” to “restitution to”. > > Delegates debated and rejected > these PlatCom recommendations: > > Modify 3.5 to indicate that parental > rights over children are not absolute. > Rewrite 1.0 to connect rights to > the ability to make choices, and to replace force-initiation language with > a statement that government’s proper role is to protect rights. > Rewrite > 2.7 to oppose government employee unions and defined-benefit public > employee pensions. > Rewrite 2.5 to oppose bailouts while dropping > language about banking, currency, and legal tender. > Rewrite 1.2 to > reference self-ownership and replace “drug” and “victimless crime” > references with broad language about consuming “media and substances” and > accepting risks to one’s own “health, finances, safety, or life”. > > > With time running out for the platform debate, the rules were suspended to > vote up or down on 3 of the last 4 recommendations: > > Rephrase 3.4 with > language about “the American dream” and “the general welfare”. > Rewrite > 2.4 to call for the “eventual elimination” of income taxes. > Replace 1.6 > language opposing all gun-control laws with the statement that private > property owners can set gun possession rules. > > Delegates rejected all > 3 recommendations. With only 3 minutes left to consider the final > recommendations on the abortion plank, the convention adjourned for the > day. > > The resulting 2012 Platform can be seen here (with 2012 changes > highlighted). > > The Platform debate had opened with a report on the > plank retention voting. No plank received enough tokens to be eligible for > a plank retention vote. The planks receiving the most tokens were: > > 74 > – 1.4. Abortion > 19 – 3.4. Free Trade and Migration > 18 – 2.2. > Environment > 15 – 2.5. Money and Financial Markets > 11 – 2.6. > Monopolies and Corporations > > No other plank got more than 5 tokens. > > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For > options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * > Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's > active and moderated. 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