Because it is greatly beneficial to our national security and our national interests --- so is stirring up shit in the middle east to keep the muzzies at each other's throats ... but it's not America's responsibility to protect Europe's oil supply.
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/taxing-americans-protect-occupy-europeans On Jun 18, 12:02 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Because it is greatly beneficial to our national security and our national > interests, from a lot of standpoints > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:01 PM, plainolamerican > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > This is great news! > > Do you have any suggestions on how to remove the interventionists from > > our government? > > Can you identify them? > > > Other than to protect the > > Straights of Hormuz for the shipment of oil to Europa > > --- > > and why do we owe Europe oil delivery protection? > > > On Jun 18, 11:55 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Believe it or not, I am coming around to believing that we have > > absolutely > > > no business anywhere in the Middle East anymore. Other than to protect > > the > > > Straights of Hormuz for the shipment of oil to Europa, we should have no > > > other interests there. We need to develop our own natural resources, > > and > > > get the Hell out of there. > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 12:49 PM, plainolamerican < > > [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > > Obama wants to arm al-Qaeda > > > > --- > > > > O is just another interventionist president willing to sacrifice > > > > American interests for the US war machine. > > > > Maybe his children will be forced into servitude. > > > > > On Jun 18, 6:51 am, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > >http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/17/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE95C1... > > > > > **** > > > > > > ** ** > > > > > Putin says West arming Syrian rebels who eat human flesh**** > > > > > > **· **Tweet <http://twitter.com/share>**** > > > > > > By Khaled Yacoub Oweis and Alexei Anishchuk**** > > > > > > AMMAN/LONDON | Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:20am EDT**** > > > > > > AMMAN/LONDON (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin, arriving > > in > > > > > Britain ahead of an international summit set to be dominated by > > > > > disagreement over the U.S. decision to send weapons to Syria's > > rebels, > > > > said > > > > > the West must not arm fighters who eat human flesh.**** > > > > > > In Syria <http://www.reuters.com/places/syria>, rebels fought back > > on > > > > > Sunday against forces of President Bashar al-Assad and his Lebanese > > > > > Hezbollah allies near Aleppo, where Assad has announced a campaign to > > > > > recapture the rebel-held north after seizing a strategic town this > > > > month.*** > > > > > * > > > > > > After months of deliberations, Washington decided last week to send > > > > weapons > > > > > to the rebels, declaring that Assad's forces had crossed a "red > > line" by > > > > > using nerve gas.**** > > > > > > The move throws the superpower's weight behind the revolt and > > signals a > > > > > potential turning point in global involvement in a two-year-old war > > that > > > > > has already killed at least 93,000 people.**** > > > > > > It has also infuriated Russia <http://www.reuters.com/places/russia > > >, > > > > Cold > > > > > War-era ally of Syria, which has sold arms to Assad and used its > > veto at > > > > > the U.N. Security Council to block resolutions against him.**** > > > > > > Russia has dismissed the U.S. evidence that Assad's forces used nerve > > > > gas. > > > > > The White House says President Barack Obama will try to lobby Putin > > to > > > > drop > > > > > his support for Assad during this week's G8 summit hosted by British > > > > Prime > > > > > Minister David Cameron.**** > > > > > > After meeting Cameron in London, Putin said Russia wanted to create > > the > > > > > conditions for a resolution of the conflict.**** > > > > > > "One does not really need to support the people who not only kill > > their > > > > > enemies, but open up their bodies, eat their intestines in front of > > the > > > > > public and cameras," Putin said.**** > > > > > > "Are these the people you want to support? Are they the ones you > > want to > > > > > supply with weapons? Then this probably has little relation to the > > > > > humanitarian values preached in Europe for hundreds of years."**** > > > > > > The incident Putin referred to was most likely that of a rebel > > commander > > > > > filmed last month cutting into the torso of a dead soldier and biting > > > > into > > > > > a piece of one of his organs.**** > > > > > > Both sides have been accused of atrocities in the conflict. The > > United > > > > > States and other countries that aid the rebels say one of the > > reasons for > > > > > doing so is to support mainstream opposition groups and reduce the > > > > > influence of extremists.**** > > > > > > DOUBTS OVER CONFERENCE**** > > > > > > The U.S. plan to arm the rebels also places new doubt over plans for > > an > > > > > international peace conference called by Washington and Moscow, their > > > > first > > > > > joint attempt in a year to try to seek a settlement.**** > > > > > > After meeting Putin, Britain's Cameron said the divide between > > Russia and > > > > > the West over Syria could be bridged, although they disagreed about > > who > > > > was > > > > > at fault.**** > > > > > > "What I take from our conversation today is that we can overcome > > these > > > > > differences if we recognize that we share some fundamental aims: to > > end > > > > the > > > > > conflict, to stop Syria breaking apart, to let the Syrian people > > decide > > > > who > > > > > governs them and to take the fight to the extremists and defeat > > > > them."**** > > > > > > Britain has not said whether it too will arm the rebels, but the > > issue is > > > > > contentious even within Cameron's Conservative-led government. Nick > > > > Clegg, > > > > > the deputy prime minister from his Liberal Democrat coalition > > partners, > > > > > said: "We clearly don't think it's the right thing to do now, or > > else we > > > > > would have done it."**** > > > > > > Under its new posture, Washington has also said it will keep > > warplanes > > > > and > > > > > Patriot surface-to-air missiles in Jordan, an ally whose territory > > it can > > > > > use to help arm and train rebel fighters. Washington has 4,500 > > troops in > > > > > Jordan carrying out exercises.**** > > > > > > Washington has not ruled out imposing a no-fly zone over parts of > > Syria, > > > > > perhaps near the Jordanian border, although it has taken no decision > > yet > > > > to > > > > > do so.**** > > > > > > Jordan's King Abdullah rallied his own armed forces on Sunday, > > telling > > > > > military cadets: "If the world does not help as it should, and if the > > > > > matter becomes a danger to our country, we are able at any moment to > > take > > > > > the measures to protect the country and the interests of our > > people."**** > > > > > > Washington hopes its backing will restore rebel momentum after > > Assad's > > > > > forces seized the initiative by gaining the open support of > > Hezbollah, > > > > > Lebanon's Iranian-backed Shi'ite militia, which sent thousands of > > > > seasoned > > > > > fighters to aid Assad.**** > > > > > > Just a few months ago, Western countries believed Assad's days were > > > > > numbered. But with Hezbollah's support he was able to achieve a major > > > > > victory this month in Qusair, a strategically located rebel-held > > town on > > > > a > > > > > main route from Lebanon.**** > > > > > > FIGHT FOR ALEPPO**** > > > > > > Since then, the government has announced major plans to seize the > > north, > > > > > including Aleppo, Syria's biggest city and commercial centre, largely > > > > > rebel-held for nearly a year. The United Nations says it fears for a > > > > > bloodbath in the north.**** > > > > > > Rebels say they are fighting back against government offensives in > > the > > > > > north. An opposition operations room in northern Aleppo said > > fighters had > > > > > destroyed an army tank and killed 20 troops at Marat al-Arteek, a > > town > > > > > where opposition sources say rebels are holding back an armored > > column > > > > sent > > > > > to reinforce loyalists from isolated Shi'ite villages.**** > > > > > > "Assad's forces and Hezbollah are trying to control northern rural > > Aleppo > > > > > but they are being repelled and dealt heavy losses," Colonel > > Abdeljabbar > > > > > al-Okeidi, a Free Syrian Army commander in Aleppo, told al-Arabiya > > > > > Television.**** > > > > > > He said Hezbollah had sent up to 2,000 fighters to Aleppo and the > > > > > surrounding areas, but expressed confidence the opposition would > > > > prevail.*** > > > > > * > > > > > > "Aleppo and Qusair are different. In Qusair we were surrounded by > > > > villages > > > > > that had been occupied by Hezbollah and by loyalist areas. We did not > > > > even > > > > > have a place to take our wounded. In Aleppo, we have a strategic > > depth > > > > and > > > > > logistical support and we are better organized," he said. "Aleppo > > will > > > > turn > > > > > into the grave of these Hezbollah devils."**** > > > > > > Battles were also fought inside Aleppo itself, where thousands of > > > > loyalist > > > > > troops and militiamen reinforced by Hezbollah have been massing and > > > > > attacking opposition-held parts of the city, driving rebel fighters > > > > back.*** > > > > > * > > > > > > Opposition activists said the army was also airlifting troops behind > > > > rebel > > > > > lines to Ifrin, in a Kurdish area, which would give access for a > > bigger > > > > > sweep inside the city.**** > > > > > > "For a week, the rebel forces have been generally on the retreat in > > > > Aleppo, > > > > > but the tide has started turning in the last two days," said Abu > > > > Abdallah, > > > > > an activist in the area.**** > > > > > > Hezbollah's support for Assad, a follower of the minority Alawite > > > > offshoot > > > > > of Shi'ite Islam, against mainly Sunni Muslim rebels has increased > > fears > > > > of > > > > > sectarian violence spreading into neighboring countries.**** > > > > > > In Lebanon, security sources said gunmen had shot dead four Shi'ite > > > > Muslim > > > > > men in an ambush in the Bekaa > > ... > > read more » -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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