Plain Ol' wrote: *"[t]hen immediately started persecuting and killing people of other faiths."* ===
No they didn't.....More revisionist history and far left hateful spin..... On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>wrote: > The Pilgrims are celebrated for how they comported themselves upon > arrival. In the three months after their initial landing, half of the > Pilgrims died from disease and murder at the hands of the native tribes. > Those who survived suffered from unspeakable privations. Yet in three > months, they managed through their sufferings to establish the first modern > democracy, and to build a settlement. > --- > then immediately started persecuting and killing people of other faiths. > > On Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:41:21 AM UTC-6, Bruce Majors wrote: >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> >> >> >> Israel, the Pilgrims and the Maccabees >> By CAROLINE B. GLICK<http://www.jpost.com/Authors/AuthorPage.aspx?id=126> >> JPost.com - 11/28/2013 21:04 >> inShare1 >> Select Language▼ >> >> These two festivals that have rarely if ever been celebrated at the same >> time are similar in key respects. >> [image: Maccabee Cartoon] >> Maccabee Cartoon Photo: Avi Katz >> Back in October 2001 then prime minister, Ariel Sharon, raised the >> hackles of the White House when he warned the United States, “Do not try to >> appease the Arabs at our expense. We cannot accept this.” Sharon then >> invoked the 1938 Munich Pact. As he put it, “Don’t repeat the terrible >> mistakes of 1938, when the enlightened democracies in Europe decided to >> sacrifice Czechoslovakia for a comfortable, temporary solution.” >> >> Israel, he said, “will not be Czechoslovakia.” >> >> Sharon was sharply rebuked not only by the White House, but by leading >> American supporters of Israel. They attacked him for daring to make the >> comparison. In time, with the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, Sharon’s >> warning was largely forgotten. >> >> The question of whether George W. Bush sought to appease the Arabs and >> Iran at Israel’s expense is an open one. Strong arguments can be made on >> both sides of the issue. On the one hand, Bush took the fight to terror >> supporting regimes. >> >> On the other hand, Bush refused to face the threat of Iran. And he forced >> Israel to remain trapped in the two-state paradigm which requires it to >> make unreciprocated concessions to Palestinian terrorists working towards >> its destruction. >> >> While Bush’s legacy remains uncertain, what is absolutely certain is that >> his successor Barack Obama is seeking to appease the Iranians and other >> Islamist forces at Israel’s expense. The appeasement Sharon accused Bush of >> contemplating has become the official policy of the US government under >> Obama. >> >> In the haze of accusations and counteraccusations by opponents and >> supporters of Obama’s new pact with the mullahs of Tehran, it bears >> recalling that the problem with the Munich pact was not the agreement in >> and of itself. If Adolf Hitler had been a credible actor, then the >> agreement might have made sense. >> >> But Hitler was not a credible actor. >> >> The problem with the Munich pact was that it empowered Hitler and so >> paved the way for the German invasion of Poland a year later. >> >> That invasion, in turn paved the way for the Holocaust, and for the death >> of 60 million people in World War II. >> >> Those, like Winston Churchill and Zev Jabotinsky who foresaw these >> events, were castigated as extremists and warmongers. Those who ignored >> their warning were celebrated as peacemakers who boldly chose peace over >> war. >> >> So too today, Israel is castigated by Obama and his supporters in >> Washington, Europe and the media as a warmonger for realistically >> foreseeing the consequences of last weekend’s nuclear deal with Iran. Even >> worse, they are portraying Israel as a rogue state that will be subject to >> punishment if it dares to militarily strike Iran’s nuclear installations. >> In other words, rather than threatening Iran – the leading state sponsor of >> terrorism, led by a regime that is pursuing an illicit nuclear weapons >> program while threatening Israel with annihilation – with military strikes >> if it refuses to cease and desist from building nuclear weapons, the world >> powers are threatening Israel. >> >> British Foreign Minister William Hague made this projection of Iranian >> criminality onto its intended victim the explicit policy of the world >> powers on Monday during his appearance before the British Parliament. >> >> Promising that Britain will be “on its guard” to prevent any state from >> threatening the agreement with Iran, Hague said, “We would discourage >> anybody in the world, including Israel, from taking any steps that would >> undermine this agreement and we will make that very clear to all >> concerned.” In other words, as Hague, Obama and Secretary of State John >> Kerry see things, Iran needs to be protected from Israel. >> >> The agreement that Britain and the US heroically defend from the threat >> of Israeli aggression guarantees that Iran will develop nuclear weapons. >> Like the Munich Pact’s empowerment of Hitler 75 years ago, the Geneva >> agreement’s empowerment of Iran’s ayatollahs guarantees that the world will >> descend into an unspeakable conflagration. And this is far from the only >> step that they are taking to weaken Israel. >> >> As the EU weakens its economic sanctions against the world’s leading >> sponsor of terrorism, it is ratcheting up its economic sanctions against >> Israel, the only liberal democracy in the Middle East. The goal of these >> sanctions is to coerce Israel into surrendering its historic heartland and >> ability to defend itself to Palestinian terrorists sworn to its destruction. >> >> For its part, the Obama administration is expected to massively increase >> its pressure on Israel to make concessions to the PLO that if undertaken >> will similarly threaten Israel’s viability militarily, legally and >> politically. Obama has promised that if Israel and the PLO are unable to >> reach an accord by January, he will present his own formulation, and seek >> to coerce Israel into implementing it. Given Obama’s stated positions on >> the Palestinian conflict with Israel, it is clear that his formulation will >> involve the surrender of eastern, southern and northern Jerusalem, as well >> as the surrender of Judea and Samaria and the forced expulsion of more than >> a half a million Jews from their homes to enable the surrender of these >> areas Jew free. >> >> And that is not all. Obama is also expected, in the next several months >> to place Israel’s purported nuclear arsenal on the international chopping >> block. Since entering office, he has already taken steps in this direction. >> Now, in his rush to transform Israel into the new Iran and Iran into the >> new Israel, it the prospect that Obama will expose Israel’s nuclear secrets >> as a means to enable Iran’s completion of its nuclear weapons program >> cannot be disregarded. >> >> In other words, the weekend deal with Iran is not the end of a process of >> attempting to enfeeble Israel. It is the beginning of that process. >> >> The worst is still very much before us. >> >> It is a fortuitous coincidence that this challenging era in the history >> of Israel – certainly the most challenging diplomatic period since the >> establishment of the Jewish state 65 years ago – began the week of >> Thanksgiving. It is even more fortuitous that in these frightening moments, >> the most American of festivals took place during Chanukah the most Jewish >> of festivals. >> >> This is a fortuitous coincidence because if we consider the meaning of >> these holidays, we can understand what the basis of our actions today must >> be. Just as importantly, we can rest assured that those actions will lead >> us to safer shores. >> >> These two festivals that have rarely if ever been celebrated at the same >> time are similar in key respects. Thanksgiving is not simply about a voyage >> of religious freedom seekers from Europe to America. The story of the >> Pilgrims, who weathered an impossible 65 day journey from England to >> Plymouth Rock in a rickety ship called the Mayflower, is not remembered >> simply because they landed in the New World. >> >> The Pilgrims are celebrated for how they comported themselves upon >> arrival. In the three months after their initial landing, half of the >> Pilgrims died from disease and murder at the hands of the native tribes. >> Those who survived suffered from unspeakable privations. Yet in three >> months, they managed through their sufferings to establish the first modern >> democracy, and to build a settlement. >> >> Rather than rail against their fate, or abjectly surrender to their >> hardships, the Pilgrims gave thanks to God for the meager tools he gave >> them to mount the seemingly insurmountable challenges they faced. It is for >> the Pilgrims’ capacity to see the blessing in their condition, and to be >> empowered by their cognizance of that blessing that they are remembered. >> Their faith grounded heroic tenacity is the reason that a small band of >> religious rebels formed the cultural basis for the United States of >> America, when it was founded 155 years later. It was that heroism that led >> Abraham Lincoln to declare Thanksgiving a national holiday during the >> darkest hour of the Civil War, when the image of the Pilgrims empowered the >> Union soldiers fighting for a new birth of freedom. >> >> As for Chanukah, the Festival of Lights is a celebration of Jewish >> religious freedom and national liberation. The Maccabees freed the Jews >> from the tyranny of Greece, the world’s greatest superpower, which denied >> them their right to remain Jewish. The Maccabees, a small band of >> heroically tenacious Jews who suffered extraordinary hardship in their war >> against the far superior Greek forces, took strength and comfort in their >> faith. It was their faith in God that empowered them to face impossible >> odds and emerge victorious. It was their faith in God that gave them the >> ability to stand up not only to the Greeks, but to the Jewish elites who >> preached submission and appeasement as the better part of virtue, >> castigating them as warmongering zealots for refusing to bow before false >> gods. >> >> The faith of the Pilgrims and the faith of the Maccabees was the faith of >> free men. It was the faith that formed the foundations of the United >> States. It is the faith that has enabled the Jews to survive for four >> thousand years. It is the faith that enabled the Jews to do the impossible >> and rebuild our homeland after 2,000 years of exile and unspeakable >> persecution. >> >> It is this foundational faith that made the American people feel a >> natural kinship with the Jewish people. And it is this foundational faith >> that has brought the people of Israel to love America. This bond, based on >> the best of both people persists today, even as Obama and his fellow >> appeasers push America on the path their founding fathers rejected when >> they came to the New World. Thanksgiving and Hanukka teach us that when we >> rely on our faith in God, we can surmount impossible challenges. >> >> Israel has the means – limited though they may be – to meet the >> extraordinary tests we face today, as the leaders of America have turned on >> us by turning on the shared heritage of faith and fortitude of our nations. >> >> Both the Israelis and the Americans must take heart from this week when >> we commemorate the heroic heritage of free men and women. >> >> With the providence of God, we will be the loyal children of the >> Maccabees, and the Pilgrims. >> >> And we will merit their legacy. >> >> [email protected] >> >> __._,_.___ >> Reply via web >> post<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZXQ4dXZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BG1zZ0lkAzEzNzI1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzODU4MDc1NTA-?act=reply&messageNum=137259> >> Reply >> to sender Reply to group Start a New >> Topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOWhhZmZpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTM4NTgwNzU1MA--> >> Messages >> in this >> topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/message/137259;_ylc=X3oDMTM4cDJrdjltBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BG1zZ0lkAzEzNzI1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzODU4MDc1NTAEdHBjSWQDMTM3MjU5>(1) >> Recent Activity: >> >> >> Visit Your >> Group<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum;_ylc=X3oDMTJldmd2NjA3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTM4NTgwNzU1MA--> >> Subscribe: [email protected] >> Unsubscribe: [email protected] >> >> NB - The Libertarian Alliance does not necessarily approve of the above >> message. >> [image: Yahoo! >> Groups]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkOGxoNzRjBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzg1ODA3NTUw> >> Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of >> Use<http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/>• Send >> us Feedback >> . >> >> __,_._,___ >> >> -- > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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