Wasn't Maryland founded because there was no love for Catholics in the new world??? There has been a lot of oppression by the formerly oppressed ... the slaves always learn the best techniques from their masters!!!
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > Plain Ol' wrote: > > *"[t]hen immediately started persecuting and killing people of other > faiths."* > === > > No they didn't.....More revisionist history and far left hateful spin..... > > > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> The Pilgrims are celebrated for how they comported themselves upon >> arrival. In the three months after their initial landing, half of the >> Pilgrims died from disease and murder at the hands of the native tribes. >> Those who survived suffered from unspeakable privations. Yet in three >> months, they managed through their sufferings to establish the first modern >> democracy, and to build a settlement. >> --- >> then immediately started persecuting and killing people of other faiths. >> >> On Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:41:21 AM UTC-6, Bruce Majors wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Israel, the Pilgrims and the Maccabees >>> By CAROLINE B. GLICK<http://www.jpost.com/Authors/AuthorPage.aspx?id=126> >>> JPost.com - 11/28/2013 21:04 >>> inShare1 >>> Select Language▼ >>> >>> These two festivals that have rarely if ever been celebrated at the same >>> time are similar in key respects. >>> [image: Maccabee Cartoon] >>> Maccabee Cartoon Photo: Avi Katz >>> Back in October 2001 then prime minister, Ariel Sharon, raised the >>> hackles of the White House when he warned the United States, “Do not try to >>> appease the Arabs at our expense. We cannot accept this.” Sharon then >>> invoked the 1938 Munich Pact. As he put it, “Don’t repeat the terrible >>> mistakes of 1938, when the enlightened democracies in Europe decided to >>> sacrifice Czechoslovakia for a comfortable, temporary solution.” >>> >>> Israel, he said, “will not be Czechoslovakia.” >>> >>> Sharon was sharply rebuked not only by the White House, but by leading >>> American supporters of Israel. They attacked him for daring to make the >>> comparison. In time, with the US invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, Sharon’s >>> warning was largely forgotten. >>> >>> The question of whether George W. Bush sought to appease the Arabs and >>> Iran at Israel’s expense is an open one. Strong arguments can be made on >>> both sides of the issue. On the one hand, Bush took the fight to terror >>> supporting regimes. >>> >>> On the other hand, Bush refused to face the threat of Iran. And he >>> forced Israel to remain trapped in the two-state paradigm which requires it >>> to make unreciprocated concessions to Palestinian terrorists working >>> towards its destruction. >>> >>> While Bush’s legacy remains uncertain, what is absolutely certain is >>> that his successor Barack Obama is seeking to appease the Iranians and >>> other Islamist forces at Israel’s expense. The appeasement Sharon accused >>> Bush of contemplating has become the official policy of the US government >>> under Obama. >>> >>> In the haze of accusations and counteraccusations by opponents and >>> supporters of Obama’s new pact with the mullahs of Tehran, it bears >>> recalling that the problem with the Munich pact was not the agreement in >>> and of itself. If Adolf Hitler had been a credible actor, then the >>> agreement might have made sense. >>> >>> But Hitler was not a credible actor. >>> >>> The problem with the Munich pact was that it empowered Hitler and so >>> paved the way for the German invasion of Poland a year later. >>> >>> That invasion, in turn paved the way for the Holocaust, and for the >>> death of 60 million people in World War II. >>> >>> Those, like Winston Churchill and Zev Jabotinsky who foresaw these >>> events, were castigated as extremists and warmongers. Those who ignored >>> their warning were celebrated as peacemakers who boldly chose peace over >>> war. >>> >>> So too today, Israel is castigated by Obama and his supporters in >>> Washington, Europe and the media as a warmonger for realistically >>> foreseeing the consequences of last weekend’s nuclear deal with Iran. Even >>> worse, they are portraying Israel as a rogue state that will be subject to >>> punishment if it dares to militarily strike Iran’s nuclear installations. >>> In other words, rather than threatening Iran – the leading state sponsor of >>> terrorism, led by a regime that is pursuing an illicit nuclear weapons >>> program while threatening Israel with annihilation – with military strikes >>> if it refuses to cease and desist from building nuclear weapons, the world >>> powers are threatening Israel. >>> >>> British Foreign Minister William Hague made this projection of Iranian >>> criminality onto its intended victim the explicit policy of the world >>> powers on Monday during his appearance before the British Parliament. >>> >>> Promising that Britain will be “on its guard” to prevent any state from >>> threatening the agreement with Iran, Hague said, “We would discourage >>> anybody in the world, including Israel, from taking any steps that would >>> undermine this agreement and we will make that very clear to all >>> concerned.” In other words, as Hague, Obama and Secretary of State John >>> Kerry see things, Iran needs to be protected from Israel. >>> >>> The agreement that Britain and the US heroically defend from the threat >>> of Israeli aggression guarantees that Iran will develop nuclear weapons. >>> Like the Munich Pact’s empowerment of Hitler 75 years ago, the Geneva >>> agreement’s empowerment of Iran’s ayatollahs guarantees that the world will >>> descend into an unspeakable conflagration. And this is far from the only >>> step that they are taking to weaken Israel. >>> >>> As the EU weakens its economic sanctions against the world’s leading >>> sponsor of terrorism, it is ratcheting up its economic sanctions against >>> Israel, the only liberal democracy in the Middle East. The goal of these >>> sanctions is to coerce Israel into surrendering its historic heartland and >>> ability to defend itself to Palestinian terrorists sworn to its destruction. >>> >>> For its part, the Obama administration is expected to massively increase >>> its pressure on Israel to make concessions to the PLO that if undertaken >>> will similarly threaten Israel’s viability militarily, legally and >>> politically. Obama has promised that if Israel and the PLO are unable to >>> reach an accord by January, he will present his own formulation, and seek >>> to coerce Israel into implementing it. Given Obama’s stated positions on >>> the Palestinian conflict with Israel, it is clear that his formulation will >>> involve the surrender of eastern, southern and northern Jerusalem, as well >>> as the surrender of Judea and Samaria and the forced expulsion of more than >>> a half a million Jews from their homes to enable the surrender of these >>> areas Jew free. >>> >>> And that is not all. Obama is also expected, in the next several months >>> to place Israel’s purported nuclear arsenal on the international chopping >>> block. Since entering office, he has already taken steps in this direction. >>> Now, in his rush to transform Israel into the new Iran and Iran into the >>> new Israel, it the prospect that Obama will expose Israel’s nuclear secrets >>> as a means to enable Iran’s completion of its nuclear weapons program >>> cannot be disregarded. >>> >>> In other words, the weekend deal with Iran is not the end of a process >>> of attempting to enfeeble Israel. It is the beginning of that process. >>> >>> The worst is still very much before us. >>> >>> It is a fortuitous coincidence that this challenging era in the history >>> of Israel – certainly the most challenging diplomatic period since the >>> establishment of the Jewish state 65 years ago – began the week of >>> Thanksgiving. It is even more fortuitous that in these frightening moments, >>> the most American of festivals took place during Chanukah the most Jewish >>> of festivals. >>> >>> This is a fortuitous coincidence because if we consider the meaning of >>> these holidays, we can understand what the basis of our actions today must >>> be. Just as importantly, we can rest assured that those actions will lead >>> us to safer shores. >>> >>> These two festivals that have rarely if ever been celebrated at the same >>> time are similar in key respects. Thanksgiving is not simply about a voyage >>> of religious freedom seekers from Europe to America. The story of the >>> Pilgrims, who weathered an impossible 65 day journey from England to >>> Plymouth Rock in a rickety ship called the Mayflower, is not remembered >>> simply because they landed in the New World. >>> >>> The Pilgrims are celebrated for how they comported themselves upon >>> arrival. In the three months after their initial landing, half of the >>> Pilgrims died from disease and murder at the hands of the native tribes. >>> Those who survived suffered from unspeakable privations. Yet in three >>> months, they managed through their sufferings to establish the first modern >>> democracy, and to build a settlement. >>> >>> Rather than rail against their fate, or abjectly surrender to their >>> hardships, the Pilgrims gave thanks to God for the meager tools he gave >>> them to mount the seemingly insurmountable challenges they faced. It is for >>> the Pilgrims’ capacity to see the blessing in their condition, and to be >>> empowered by their cognizance of that blessing that they are remembered. >>> Their faith grounded heroic tenacity is the reason that a small band of >>> religious rebels formed the cultural basis for the United States of >>> America, when it was founded 155 years later. It was that heroism that led >>> Abraham Lincoln to declare Thanksgiving a national holiday during the >>> darkest hour of the Civil War, when the image of the Pilgrims empowered the >>> Union soldiers fighting for a new birth of freedom. >>> >>> As for Chanukah, the Festival of Lights is a celebration of Jewish >>> religious freedom and national liberation. The Maccabees freed the Jews >>> from the tyranny of Greece, the world’s greatest superpower, which denied >>> them their right to remain Jewish. The Maccabees, a small band of >>> heroically tenacious Jews who suffered extraordinary hardship in their war >>> against the far superior Greek forces, took strength and comfort in their >>> faith. It was their faith in God that empowered them to face impossible >>> odds and emerge victorious. It was their faith in God that gave them the >>> ability to stand up not only to the Greeks, but to the Jewish elites who >>> preached submission and appeasement as the better part of virtue, >>> castigating them as warmongering zealots for refusing to bow before false >>> gods. >>> >>> The faith of the Pilgrims and the faith of the Maccabees was the faith >>> of free men. It was the faith that formed the foundations of the United >>> States. It is the faith that has enabled the Jews to survive for four >>> thousand years. It is the faith that enabled the Jews to do the impossible >>> and rebuild our homeland after 2,000 years of exile and unspeakable >>> persecution. >>> >>> It is this foundational faith that made the American people feel a >>> natural kinship with the Jewish people. And it is this foundational faith >>> that has brought the people of Israel to love America. This bond, based on >>> the best of both people persists today, even as Obama and his fellow >>> appeasers push America on the path their founding fathers rejected when >>> they came to the New World. Thanksgiving and Hanukka teach us that when we >>> rely on our faith in God, we can surmount impossible challenges. >>> >>> Israel has the means – limited though they may be – to meet the >>> extraordinary tests we face today, as the leaders of America have turned on >>> us by turning on the shared heritage of faith and fortitude of our nations. >>> >>> Both the Israelis and the Americans must take heart from this week when >>> we commemorate the heroic heritage of free men and women. >>> >>> With the providence of God, we will be the loyal children of the >>> Maccabees, and the Pilgrims. >>> >>> And we will merit their legacy. >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> Reply via web >>> post<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZXQ4dXZ0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BG1zZ0lkAzEzNzI1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzODU4MDc1NTA-?act=reply&messageNum=137259> >>> Reply >>> to sender Reply to group Start a New >>> Topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOWhhZmZpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTM4NTgwNzU1MA--> >>> Messages >>> in this >>> topic<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum/message/137259;_ylc=X3oDMTM4cDJrdjltBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BG1zZ0lkAzEzNzI1OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzODU4MDc1NTAEdHBjSWQDMTM3MjU5>(1) >>> Recent Activity: >>> >>> >>> Visit Your >>> Group<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/libertarian-alliance-forum;_ylc=X3oDMTJldmd2NjA3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTM4NTgwNzU1MA--> >>> Subscribe: [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe: [email protected] >>> >>> NB - The Libertarian Alliance does not necessarily approve of the above >>> message. >>> [image: Yahoo! >>> Groups]<http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkOGxoNzRjBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIyMzcxMjgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwMTY5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzg1ODA3NTUw> >>> Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of >>> Use<http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/>• Send >>> us Feedback >>> . >>> >>> __,_._,___ >>> >>> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. 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