Agreed, very sensible and rounded approach.

In full support Ask.

Charlie
On 3 Aug 2012 20:33, "Ask Bjørn Hansen" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Blocking Turk Telekom customers/devices from using the pool is an option
> and if at some point supporting them becomes unsustainable we'll figure out
> how to do it.  As long as we can sustain it, I'd rather we do that.
>
> Obviously getting a contact there who can help would be much much better.
>   Them using the pool is fine, we just need to figure out why they're
> sending so many requests.  Ideally they could add some servers to the pool.
> Someone from TT tried once, but the routers he added fell over immediately
> when they were included in the pool.
>
> - Blocking isn't as simple as one could hope.  We can't just block the NTP
> requests. We could make the tr zone return no servers or 127.0.0.1 or the
> example IP addresses, but we don't really know what that will do. Maybe
> they'll change to use europe.pool.ntp.org instead and then we're even
> worse off.  We could figure out the IP addresses of their DNS servers and
> block those specifically, but again - it's unpredictable what will happen a
> few steps down the road.
>
> - The job of the NTP Pool is to be the first choice when needing basic NTP
> service.  It's the whole reason we're doing this.  Obviously we have to do
> it in a sustainable way with people contributing servers and in other ways
> as appropriate, but really remember that the project exists to ensure we
> have time service for everyone without overloading any particular servers.
>  The corollary here is that we're also the "server of last resort".  If
> they're going to abuse someone, we're likely in the best position to "take
> it".
>
> If we can't at some point we'll figure out to block them, but as long as
> people are willing to put up their servers to take the load (abuse?), then
> let's do that.
>
>
> Ask
>
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