In my case at least, it's definitely upstream of the ISP itself and
specific (or at least includes) transatlantic connectivity. The reason I
say this, is as I've documented. I have my own monitoring between a known
good server under my control also in Europe, and the server in my home. The
difference is generally consistently <1ms between the two. However against
the monitoring station it's generally +/- 500ms (mostly within 100ms) with
frequent huge dropouts and score going into minus.

Interestingly most of the traceroutes involved in the Europe problem
include NTT. But, there's a report of a server that is good, also
traversing NTT. It makes me wonder if NTT have more than one transit
tariff, and that our ISPs are taking a cheaper, lower priority tariff, or
one that includes some level of throttling/de-prioritization of NTP traffic.

I'm somewhat tempted to try to start some AWS/Azure instances in various US
zones and testing various test cases of NTP traffic from my home network vs
datacenter. But, that's for a day when I have time on my hands.

On 23 February 2017 at 09:38, Tim Bray <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 23/02/17 00:04, Arnold Schekkerman wrote:
> > All you do with multiple monitoring servers is check more routing
> options. The only
> > logical thing to do is to reject the server from the pool as soon as it
> is
> > unreachable via at least one route. From our client's perspective this
> would make
> > the pool more reliable. However, even more servers will see their score
> drop...
> >
> > Please, keep in mind the monitor is NOT about checking if a server knows
> the
> > correct time. It is about checking if a server (with correct time) is
> able to
> > *provide* that time to a client connecting to it from just anywhere on
> the internet
> > using the DNS system.
>
>
> Exactly, this.
>
> Multiple monitoring should reject more servers.
>
> Because really if you have a server that is connected to an ISP with
> routing problems, then I think that server shouldn't be in the pool.
>
>
> I guess it is hard to accept that your score is low because of your ISP
> or even your ISPs upstream connectivity.  Even when you know you have
> done everything correctly.
>
>
>
> A different problem is a good way to investigate these kind of funnies
> and try to work out what is going on and what the real problem is.
>
>
>
> --
> Tim Bray
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> Huddersfield, UK
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