On Fri, Oct 07, 2005 at 05:14:59PM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > Marc Espie wrote:
> >You're not a serious developer, you just tinker with stuff... > You know, I'be been as careful as I could be, never to insult any of > you. You know me very little, but you need to support your argument, > and I guess you need to insult. > >- Installing your own gettext is rather dangerous, unless you really > >know what you are doing. Especially these days, because we are adding > >i18n to the base system. > It's not so terribly dangerous as all that, moreover, nothing i do to my > own system affects your at all. If I take responsibiliity for my own > system, then (as long as it removes none of your control, and I've > already demonstated at least one method to do that, I'm certain that I > didn't pick either the only way or the best way) then this wouldn't > bother your system goals at all. > I spent years doing FreeBSD ports. about 10. Yes, you need to stay > awake, but as long as you don't mind talking care of things, it's not so > bad, not nearly as bad as you are playing it. Well, I've spent enough time working on i18n to tell you that, yes, it is more dangerous than that. Other people working on this stuff, naddy for instance, could tell you the same thing. It's not only staying awake, it's figuring out weeks later that the stuff that almost works that you see is coming from THAT specific change and not from anything else. I don't care that it's your machine or not, I'm just saying it's dangerous. You are doing some non-serious, dangerous tinkering there. If you don't see the link now that it's explicit, and you still think I'm insulting you, your loss... > OK, then how about a have "local-1"? I would like, if I install some > shared lib in /usr/local-1/lib, to have it not only found, but have it > override (in terms of DEPENDS) any lib in /usr/local, or any > ports-controlled lib. If I agree that I must take all blame for any > problems in such a system, folks in FreeBSD, which runs like that (and > has for years) don't seem to be all that worried. Knobs are an issue, for various reasons. We do provide some. Not that many. Because each of them takes a lot of time to support. You might think it's just a convenient knob for you, but it has a big cost. Each option we add is carefully weighted. I'll make you a deal: once we've finished making sure all ports are clean if you tinker with LOCALBASE, X11BASE or SYSCONFDIR, I'll have a look at something that would allow you to install some stuff elsewhere. One final point: the apparent complexity of the dependencies in the OpenBSD ports system is real. It's what allows pkg_add -u to work, and YES, there are rather difficult issues to solve...
