Also to consider for Diane and whoever else is thinking about these issues is of course the difference between promoting shows and owning the bar/venue itself. These are two very different balls of wax. Dave describes someone who's had a good effect locally by *promoting,* but starting up a venue, surviving, and becoming an established joint is much more demanding and long-term proposition.... As I was saying to Diane offlist, good bar management is the key to every successful venue I know of. If the bar doesn't make money, there's no venue to bring the good music to.... --junior
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