> On Apr 20, 2026, at 7:45 AM, Jaroslaw Rafa via Postfix-users 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Here in Poland, when the government tries to block some sites (often because
> they claim it's "Russian propaganda" ;), which of course is far from truth -
> the funny thing is that for some time website of one of the oldest Polish
> newspapers was blocked under that pretense - while you could still buy the
> actual paper ;)),

The world these days is so fascinating, but a circular firing squad of 
censorship is really something. "Look, those people you should hate are 
*censoring the internet*!" followed by "we have to block content from those 
people censoring the internet, you might be swayed by their communist (??!??! 
2026 ???!??) propaganda!", or "We need to protect you from their right-wing 
authoritarian propaganda (pls don't look at abortion rights here, btw)!!".

I'm also old enough to remember when the RIAA and MPAA in the US had such 
strong lobbies that ISPs were installing Sandvine devices to help identify (or 
*block*, or throttle) P2P apps.

> they do it on DNS level - they just force all major ISPs
> to block that domain on their DNS servers - technically, they return
> "0.0.0.0" or something similar instead of the actual IP address. So this is
> easy to work around if you know the actual IP address (or if you just run
> your own DNS server - as you should when running Postfix, to not be
> completely off-topic ;)).

At least they're kind enough to be incompetent about it.

Let me see if I can keep this a bit on-topic...

Today I saw a complaint about mail from gmail bouncing for a user. They 
submitted ChatGPT's "diagnosis" that included identifying Postfix as Exim and 
called "0spam.org" amateurs. Anyhow, looking in the logs, I indeed saw a google 
IP hitting a dozen RBLs in Postscreen and even more on the multirbl.valli.org 
checker. My plan for that site is in flux, but the low-hanging fruit to 
modernize it started with building a new RBL list and that led to me looking at 
too many headers of spam messages I received to find that google, and MS 
actually are really, really bad at detecting and acting on outgoing spam. MS is 
really horrible. So yes, I will bulk up my RBL whitelist list, but will sigh 
while doing so as I grumble about these bad netizens spewing shit out like a 
leaky barrel in the Love Canal.

Charles

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