On 7/9/2012 2:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 09.07.2012 20:25, schrieb Bill Cole:
>> On 9 Jul 2012, at 13:15, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>>> If you expect to be able to safely use a "-all" tail on a record for a 
>>>> domain
>>>> that is used on legit mail, you stand a strong chance of disappointment
>>> why?
>> (1) There are many perfectly innocent systems that allow traditional 
>> transparent forwarding (i.e. as with aliases
>> or .forward files) from local addresses to arbitrary external addresses. 
>> Some domains (including some belonging to
>> professional and university alumni organizations) have large numbers of 
>> users but no local delivery at all, merely
>> acting as forwarders without touching the envelope sender of mail they 
>> handle.
> so the user is resposible that his destination server is
> not rejecting mails from the forwarding server
>
>> (2) There are well-meaning services (including major newspaper websites) 
>> which send surrogate mail for their users
>> with the users' email address as the envelope sender.
> they are doing it simply wrong
>
>> (3) There are receiving systems that treat a SPF "hard fail" result as an 
>> absolute or near-absolute basis for
>> rejection of mail.
> sad that not all are doing this
>
>> As a result, it is common for people to send to a forwarded address 
>> unknowingly or to click a "mail this page to a
>> friend" link on a website and generate a situation in a final SMTP hop that 
>> cannot affirmatively pass any SPF check
>> (except with a simple "+all" record, which would be pointless.)
> as said: this services are doing it wrong
>
> any wbeservice MUST NOT use a random foreign domain as sender these days
>
>> If you want to make a stand on aspirational principles for all of your users 
>> that transparent forwarding is bad and
>> surrogate mail should carry an envelope sender of the surrogate in all 
>> cases, and you are willing to have some mail
>> that your users want to send or to have sent on their behalf fail, then 
>> using a "-all" tail on a SPF record might
>> be good and proper for your domain. The freedom to make such a quixotic 
>> stand is uncommon for mail systems with
>> more than a few score users.
> and because too many people agrue this way resulting in a lot of spam
> with forged envelope-senders becasue too few domains wiht SPF records
>

+1 on all points.

-Vinny


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