On 6/1/07, thomas riddle <tom.riddle at sun.com> wrote: > John, > > No offense taken at all. Onward... :) > > Your suggestion of a blog is actually a fitting idea. I honestly tend to shy > away from commiting to one since what I write sometimes doesn't make sense to > me > when I read it. But once it got going it could be a good vehicle. There is > nothing legal about it.
Well, if you guys aren't comfortable keeping a blog, at least regular email updates are really a must. > I agree with you that long updates between code drops is not a good thing. > Bill > K had suggested to me long ago to make drops periodic even if there wasn't > much > progress. In retropect I see the wisdom. Anyway, the code release task has > moved > to the top of my priority list. I won't burden Guy or Brian with it's details > as > they are focused on some important tasks. > > Tom > > > > John Sonnenschein wrote: > > Tom, > > I'm sorry, I don't mean to lash out at you personally. I know you're > > doing the best you can given the framework you find yourself in. I > > apologize for my rudness. > > > > Moving forwards, what are the legal ramifications of you keeping a > > blog updated on the status from I suppose the next code drop forward? > > i.e., letting us know what's been done one week, if you have plans on > > doing something the next, etc. Just to keep a more fine-grained stall > > on certain bits rather than the entire tree? I think that, more than > > anything, would help community involvement move forwards. > > > > As for the mac platform, I'm not so much "interested" as I happen to > > have a ppc mac. I'd love it to be running solaris also, but to be > > perfectly honest, I'm most interested in seeing solaris on IBM iron. > > > > Anyways, again, I'm sorry for being so rude > > cheers > > -john > > > > On 6/1/07, thomas riddle <tom.riddle at sun.com> wrote: > > > >> John, > >> > >> I can understand your position, but a degree of calmness would be > >> appreciated as we crank up the discussion. > >> > >> When we spoke offline about a month ago I gave you an update as to our > >> status. Between some basic legal review > >> and our heads in the sand here I personally was overally optimistic on > >> the timeline. But that's not a valid excuse really, > >> just that the technical tasks jump up the priority ladder as I am an > >> engr at heart. My apologies. So feel free to focus > >> your frustration on me for the delay and we can take that offline if you > >> wish. > >> > >> Your interest in the mac platform would be a great contribution. The > >> only current platform that the source is focused on > >> is the Genesi ODW, so there is alot of development opportunity there and > >> having a functioning reference source to start > >> with IMHO would be pretty beneficial. > >> > >> BTW, have you turned in an opensolaris developers agreement? > >> > >> Tom > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> John Sonnenschein wrote: > >> > >> > On 5/31/07, Noah yan <noah.yan at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> John, > >> >> > >> >> let me ask: what is your status of building and testing the current > >> >> available code base? > >> > > >> > > >> > I've got it built & it boots on my little G4 mac mini. It fails to set > >> > up it's memory along the way > >> > > >> >> what are you expecting from the coming code drop? > >> > > >> > > >> > I have no idea, and that's a large part of what gets me so pissed off > >> > at the whole process. Let me use a software metaphor here, and it's as > >> > if Sun Labs put a lock on the /entire/ codebase waiting to accomplish > >> > something. I'd be downright friendly if the lock were more fine > >> > grained ( eg, we got weekly updates something to the effect of "hey, > >> > i'm working on the scheduler this week" or "hey, i've fixed that > >> > memory mapping problem last week, I'm moving on to the kernel > >> > allocation routines for next" ), even if code didn't show up with the > >> > updates for a while, so that we could at least have a log of what does > >> > and does not work in order to focus our efforts elsewhere, presuming > >> > we get code on a fairly regular basis, not once per year. > >> > > >> >> It seems to me that you just want a code drop, not matter what it is. > >> > > >> > > >> > In a sense, perhaps. I very much believe in open development. If > >> > you're asking what I'd like to see, I'd like to see a kernel that > >> > completely works. That's just wishful thinking though and I don't > >> > expect a couple guys could get that much work done in that little > >> > time. A kernel that boots to single user would be nice if possible, > >> > but again, I have no idea what the status of the project is because > >> > it's been hidden behind sun's firewall for so long there's no way to > >> > guess what's going on > >> > > >> > > >> >> Noah > >> >> > >> >> On 5/31/07, John Sonnenschein <johnsonnenschein at gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> > No, it's an empty promise because every time anyone's asked about > >> >> > status they're given the same "yeah, we've got some stuff, we'll get > >> >> > it out really quick" response, yet we haven't heard so much as a > >> word > >> >> > of what specifically is being worked on and I've stopped believing > >> >> > we'll ever see anything. > >> >> > > >> >> > If we get some code, great, but statements in the vein of "hold on, > >> >> > we're just finishing something" should be treated as the worthless > >> >> > empty statement it is. > >> >> > > >> >> > I'd love to be proved wrong, but at the moment I have Sun Labs > >> >> > categorized as "hostile to the community, under no circumstances > >> >> > should they be trusted" > >> >> > > >> >> > On 5/31/07, Brian D. Horn <Brian.Horn at sun.com> wrote: > >> >> > > John Sonnenschein wrote: > >> >> > > > On 5/31/07, Dennis Clarke <dclarke at blastwave.org> wrote: > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > On 5/31/07, Brian D. Horn <Brian.Horn at sun.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> Tom swears that he will get a new code drop with LOTS of > >> >> > > >> >> new goodies out soon. I'll pester him to make sure it > >> >> happens. > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > Yeah, tom has been promising us code "Real Soon Now" for a > >> >> long time, > >> >> > > >> > and all it's done is stalled community development, so I'm > >> >> not buying > >> >> > > >> > it & I'm quite frankly tired of hearing about it. > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > If the code isn't open, it doesn't exist. Promises to the > >> >> contrary are > >> >> > > >> > more than unproductive, they're hostile to the project. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> John, chill out just a tad here. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> If you want to blame someone then fire some blame at me. > >> I saw > >> >> > > >> that the > >> >> > > >> polaris.blastwave.org server was out of control and I shut it > >> >> down. It > >> >> > > >> would have been at about the same time as a big server room > >> >> move and > >> >> > > >> once > >> >> > > >> the new server room was in place and the rack rolled in I > >> >> simply never > >> >> > > >> brought it back up. Seen blastware lately? It is gone too as > >> >> are a > >> >> > > >> stack of the extensions to genunix.net etc etc. I simply > >> >> watched them > >> >> > > >> pass into nothingness. I'll go and register them again and > >> >> maybe even > >> >> > > >> recover blastware also. Who knows .. we may create a pure > >> >> community > >> >> > > >> based > >> >> > > >> distro yet. > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > It's not about blame. > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > it's preposterous that even after I rant about how promises > >> >> that don't > >> >> > > > have included source code are damaging to the project, we're > >> >> given yet > >> >> > > > another empty promise! > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > I don't care to hear "any time now"... I stand by my previous > >> >> > > > statement that if we can't see the code, it doesn't exist, and > >> >> saying > >> >> > > > that it does exist is just hurting us as a project. Whether > >> >> this harm > >> >> > > > is intentional or not is irrelevant to the fact that we're best > >> >> served > >> >> > > > by either development being open, or it not existing at all > >> >> > > I see.... I make a commitment that I will make something happen > >> >> in the > >> >> > > near future and since it didn't happen in the four minutes > >> >> between my > >> >> > > posting > >> >> > > and yours it was an empty promise.... hmmmmm..... > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 > >> >> > Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > powerpc-discuss mailing list > >> >> > powerpc-discuss at opensolaris.org > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > -- PGP Public Key 0x437AF1A1 Availiable on hkp://pgp.mit.edu
