Yuhuuu.. asal sesama agama aja bung Nizami langsung amninin... masak iya ada negara gak ada homonya? Orang Timur Tengah lagi?
Bener mas, fundamentalism itu harus ditolak, agama apapun, negara apapun, termasuk modelnya mbah Ba'ashir... Salam anti fundamentalisme Danardono --- In ppiindia@yahoogroups.com, Nugroho Dewanto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > hehehe.... > > di iran dan saudi (seperti juga di belahan dunia lainnya), > seandainya pria bisa hamil, sudah banyak yang > menimang anak hahahaha.... > > btw, saya cocok dengan kutipan terakhir: > "We refuse to choose between Islamic fundamentalism > and American imperialism." > > > > At 10:38 PM 9/24/2007 -0700, you wrote: > > >Presiden Iran Ahmadinejad menghadiri undangan diskusi > >di Columbia University. > > > >Dari sini kita bisa melihat betapa primitif dan > >kampungannya orang-orang AS. Presiden George W Bush > >tidak setuju takut orang2 AS terpengaruh. Sementara > >Profesor Lee Bollinger yang mengundang mengeluarkan > >kata-kata hinaan yang tak sesuai etika seperti > >menghina Ahmadinejad sebagai picik dan kejam. > > > >Saya sendiri pernah berdebat dengan beberapa orang2 AS > >di internet. Pertama mereka menuliskan kata2 kebon > >binatang. Begitu saya menulis dengan tenang sambil > >menyindir, wah bagus sekali attitude dan manner anda, > >apakah ibu anda yang mengajari? > > > >Baru mereka sadar dan menanggapi argumen saya dengan > >serius. > > > >Dalam stereotipe sebagian besar orang2 AS, orang Islam > >itu adalah teroris, biadab, bodoh, dsb. Jadi jika ada > >orang Islam yang tenang yang dengan mudah mematahkan > >argumen-argumen mereka, mereka jadi bingung sendiri. > >Kok ternyata tidak seperti itu ya. Barangkali itu > >pikir mereka...:) > > > >Ketika dikatakan bahwa Iran menghukum mati orang2 > >homoseksual, Ahmadinejad menanggapi dengan santai. > >"Siapa yang mengatakan itu? Di negara kami tidak ada > >orang2 homo seperti di negara anda. Jadi tidak ada > >kejadian itu". Begitu jawab Ahmadinejad yang disambut > >gerr oleh para peserta diskusi. > > > >Salam > > > ><http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070925/ap_on_re_us/iran_us>http://news .yahoo.com/s/ap/20070925/ap_on_re_us/iran_us > >Ahmadinejad questions 9/11, Holocaust > > > >By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer 29 minutes ago > > > >NEW YORK - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad > >defended Holocaust revisionists and raised questions > >about who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks in a tense > >showdown Monday at Columbia University, where the > >school's head introduced the hard-line leader by > >calling him a "petty and cruel dictator." > > > >Ahmadinejad portrayed himself as an intellectual and > >argued that his administration respected reason and > >science. But the former engineering professor, > >appearing shaken and irate over he called "insults" > >from his host, soon found himself drawn into the type > >of rhetoric that has alienated American audiences in > >the past. > > > >He provoked derisive laughter by responding to a > >question about Iran's execution of homosexuals by > >saying: "In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in > >your country ... I don't know who's told you that we > >have this." > > > >Columbia's president, Lee Bollinger, set the combative > >tone in his introduction of Ahmadinejad: "Mr. > >President, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and > >cruel dictator." > > > >Ahmadinejad retorted that Bollinger's opening was "an > >insult to information and the knowledge of the > >audience here." > > > >"There were insults and claims that were incorrect, > >regretfully," Ahmadinejad said, accusing Bollinger of > >falling under the influence of the hostile U.S. press > >and politicians. > > > >Ahmadinejad drew audience applause at times, such as > >when he bemoaned the plight of the Palestinians. But > >he often declined to offer the simple answers the > >audience sought, responding instead with his own > >questions or long statements about history and > >justice. > > > >Ahmadinejad has in the past called for Israel's > >elimination. But his exact remarks have been disputed. > >Some translators say he called for Israel to be "wiped > >off the map," but others say that would be better > >translated as "vanish from the pages of time" > >implying Israel would disappear on its own rather than > >be destroyed. > > > >Asked by an audience member if Iran sought the > >destruction of Israel, Ahmadinejad did not answer > >directly. > > > >"We are friends of all the nations," he said. "We are > >friends with the Jewish people. There are many Jews in > >Iran living peacefully with security." > > > >He also said Palestinians must determine their own > >future. > > > >Ahmadinejad's past statements about the Holocaust also > >have raised hackles in the West, and were soundly > >attacked by Bollinger. > > > >"In a December 2005 state television broadcast, you > >described the Holocaust as the fabricated legend," > >Bollinger told Ahmadinejad said in his opening > >remarks. "One year later, you held a two-day > >conference of Holocaust deniers." > > > >Bollinger said that might fool the illiterate and > >ignorant. > > > >"When you come to a place like this, it makes you > >simply ridiculous. The truth is that the Holocaust is > >the most documented event in human history," he said. > > > >Ahmadinejad denied he had questioned whether the > >Holocaust occurred. > > > >"Granted this happened, what does it have to do with > >the Palestinian people?" he said. > > > >But Ahmadinejad went on to say that he was defending > >the rights of European academics imprisoned for > >"questioning certain aspects" of the Holocaust, an > >apparent reference to a small number who have been > >prosecuted under national laws for denying or > >minimizing the genocide. > > > >"There's nothing known as absolute," Ahmadinejad said. > >He said the Holocaust has been abused as a > >justification for Israeli mistreatment of the > >Palestinians. > > > >"Why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the > >price for an event they had nothing to do with?" he > >asked. > > > >Asked why he had asked to visit the World Trade Center > >site a request denied by New York authorities > >Ahmadinejad said he wanted to express sympathy for the > >victims of the Sept. 11 attacks. > > > >Then he appeared to question whether al-Qaida was > >responsible, saying more research was needed. > > > >"If the root causes of 9/11 are examined properly > >why it happened, what caused it, what were the > >conditions that led to it, who truly was involved, who > >was really involved and put it all together to > >understand how to prevent the crisis in Iraq, fix the > >problem in Afghanistan and Iraq combined," Ahmadinejad > >said. > > > >Bollinger drew strong criticism for inviting > >Ahmadinejad to Columbia and had promised tough > >questions in his introduction. But the stridency of > >his attack on the Iranian leader took many by > >surprise. > > > >"You are either brazenly provocative or astonishingly > >uneducated," Bollinger told Ahmadinejad about the > >leader's Holocaust denial. "Will you cease this > >outrage?" > > > >Bollinger's introduction was "very harsh," said Hamid > >Dabashi, a professor of Iranian studies at Columbia > >University. > > > >"Inviting him and then turning around and alienating > >and insulting an entire nation whose representative > >this man happens to be is simply inappropriate," said > >Dabashi, who also criticized Ahmadinejad. > > > >Instead of addressing most of Bollinger's accusations > >directly, Ahmadinejad offered quotes from the Quran > >and criticism of the Bush administration and past > >American governments, from warrant-less wiretapping to > >the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in > >Japan. > > > >He closed his prepared remarks with a terse smile, to > >applause and boos, before taking questions from the > >audience. > > > >In Iran, Ahmadinejad's appearance at Columbia could be > >seen on Arabic satellite channels and state > >television's Arabic-language service, but it did not > >appear on channels that broadcast in Farsi, the > >language of Iran. > > > >Asked about his country's nuclear intentions, > >Ahmadinejad insisted the program is peaceful, legal > >and entirely within Iran's rights, despite attempts by > >"monopolistic," "selfish" powers to derail it. "How > >come is it that you have that right, and we can't have > >it?" he added. > > > >President Bush said Ahmadinejad's appearance at > >Columbia "speaks volumes about, really, the greatness > >of America." > > > >He told Fox News Channel that if Bollinger considered > >Ahmadinejad's visit an educational experience for > >Columbia students, "I guess it's OK with me." > > > >But conservatives on Capitol Hill were critical. Sen. > >Joseph Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, > >said he thought the invitation to Ahmadinejad was a > >mistake "because he comes literally with blood on his > >hands." > > > >Thousands of people jammed two blocks of 47th Street > >across from the United Nations to protest > >Ahmadinejad's visit to New York for the opening of the > >U.N. General Assembly session. Organizers claimed a > >turnout of tens of thousands. Police did not > >immediately have a crowd estimate. > > > >The speakers, most of them politicians and officials > >from Jewish organizations, proclaimed their support > >for Israel and criticized the Iranian leader for his > >remarks questioning the Holocaust. > > > >"We're here today to send a message that there is > >never a reason to give a hatemonger an open stage," > >New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said. > > > >Hundreds of protesters also assembled at Columbia. > >Dozens stood near the lecture hall where Ahmadinejad > >was scheduled to speak, linking arms and singing > >traditional Jewish folk songs about peace and > >brotherhood. A two-person band nearby played "You Are > >My Sunshine." > > > >Signs in the crowd displayed a range of messages, > >including one reading: "We refuse to choose between > >Islamic fundamentalism and American imperialism." > > > >___ > > > >Associated Press writers Karen Matthews and Aaron > >Clark contributed to this report. > > > >=== > >Ingin belajar Islam sesuai Al Qur'an dan Hadits? > >Kirim email ke: > ><mailto:syiar-islam-subscribe%40yahoogroups.com>syiar-islam- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >__________________________________________________________ > >Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > >FareChase. > ><http://farechase.yahoo.com/>http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
