In the old days, the SSAN card used to have the following wording in fine print:
"Not to be used for Identification" David Sweigert, M.Sci., CCNA, CISSP State IT Security Policy Officer Department of Administrative Services http://www.ohio.gov/itp "David Frenkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: 08/21/2002 04:48 Subject: RE: Member identifier?SSN? PM There are issues with SSN which have been discussed at length on various listservs. As much as SSN is imbedded in the US culture as a unique id it was never intended to be which is why it has issues. I still have never figured out how a SSN card with no photo is considered a piece of personal ID by the INS for employment. Regards, David Frenkel Business Development HCTI www.hcti.org 425-260-5030 -----Original Message----- From: Hayward, Donna M B230 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 12:19 PM To: 'David Frenkel '; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: RE: Member identifier?SSN? The flip side to that question, and maybe this would be best served through the Transaction and Code Set workgroups. If some providers send the SSN and other providers send an Id and keeping in mind the Professional Implementation Guide X098 for example, allows only MI or ZZ as the Subscriber Id qualifiers in NM108, what then? MI is intended for use with a payer assigned number (CA Id), ZZ for the National Id (TBD). There is no mention of SSN, an unfortunate oversight in my opinion. Remember NM108/NM109 is situationally required if NM102 is a person '2'. In theory, you would have to meet the syntactical requirement and populated the NM109 with the SSN otherwise risk failure during the ANSI / HIPAA compliance checking process. I invision at least for some period of time we'll still continue to use SSN in our internal processing. That would mean developing a cross reference table that would house both SSN and Id and along with that logic to assume id unless the number is equal to 9 bytes and then it may be an SSN therefore we would have to do some name matching as well, and then... this could get ugly. -----Original Message----- From: David Frenkel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8/21/2002 2:33 PM Subject: RE: Member identifier?SSN? Fify, Just as a point of clarification the State of CA has or is in the process of banning SSN from any type of printed card because of identity theft issues. The State of WA has banned State Univ and colleges from using SSN as an ID. I think you will see other states with similar legislation regarding SSN. There were US Senate hearings this past spring on a national id and most people gave it no chance of happening for political reasons. There might be a back door to a national ID if federal legislation is passed for standardized state drivers licenses. Regards, David Frenkel Business Development HCTI www.hcti.org 425-260-5030 -----Original Message----- From: Fify Taslim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 11:03 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Member identifier?SSN? I'd like to thank you all for previous responses. I also want to ask the industry the question on member identifier. Currently we do print member SSN on the card as all other plan do. In addition to that, we do assign unique number for each member and currently for internal use only. As we all know, the Individual Unique Identifier is not finalized yet under HIPAA at the current moment. With all this HIPAA environment (Privacy and standard transactions) starts influenzing how we do business, where is the industry moving currently in term of the identifier used to identify member? Is the industry Move away or keep the SSN? Unique number assigned by the organization/health plan? This new issues will change the way the member cards are issued and the code are mapped. Thank you in advance for your valuable input. Best regards, Fify Taslim, MD, MBA Care1st Health Plan HIPAA Consultant/Coordinator Ph. (626) 299-4299 ex.376 Fx. (626) 628-3263 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ********************************************************************** To be removed from this list, go to: http://snip.wedi.org/unsubscribe.cfm?list=siness and enter your email address. The WEDI SNIP listserv to which you are subscribed is not moderated. The discussions on this listserv therefore represent the views of the individual participants, and do not necessarily represent the views of the WEDI Board of Directors nor WEDI SNIP. If you wish to receive an official opinion, post your question to the WEDI SNIP Issues Database at http://snip.wedi.org/tracking/. Posting of advertisements or other commercial use of this listserv is specifically prohibited. 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